Small amount of HHO Gas into automotive Catalytic converter yields OU heat??

[conradelektro]

I did a little search (just on the Internet).

jdc.products is right about HHO-catalyst heaters. All is about natural gas catalyst heaters.

Since oil and natural gas were and still are so easily available and comparatively cheap the world turned and still turns around oil and natural gas. This will change. The oil and gas crisis will not be an overnight event but a gradual increase of price and a gradual decrease of availability for the average citizen (over decades).

The big days of HHO were in the late 19th century and the early 20th century, so one would have to go through the literature of that time. But this literature is seldom digitized, often not even the bibliographical data, so one has to deal with real books and real paper in many locations (University libraries and even museums), which is a chore. I am sure that there is a lot of information buried.

Splitting water with electricity from solar panels and then burning the HHO in a catalyst oven for sure is a neat concept. But one should not underestimate storage and safety problems with HHO. Also the catalyst (platinum sponge or gauze) will be soiled after a while by residues of the chemical reaction.

The best approach might be to store the electricity from solar panels in conventional batteries and then to create HHO on demand with the electricity from the batteries to avoid storage of HHO. Trivial efficiency calculations do not apply because the sun is shining for free. Of course one could add wind turbines for electricity generation.

The problem is to engineer the whole package (solar panels, batteries, water splitter, catalyst heater) in a way to make it practical and not too expensive.


The question: Let's say electric energy was collected in a battery (by help of solar panels and wind generators). What is more efficient? To use the energy from the battery in a resistor heating (the conventional electric panel heaters) or to split water with the electricity from the battery and to burn the HHO in a catalyst heater? My first thought, the direct way (resistor heating) should be more efficient?

So, all comes down to the question: How or from where do you get the HHO?

And: Do you store HHO?

Just contemplating and dreaming, Conrad

[jdc.products@gmail.com]

I did a little search (just on the Internet).

jdc.products is right about HHO-catalyst heaters. All is about natural gas catalyst heaters.

Since oil and natural gas were and still are so easily available and comparatively cheap the world turned and still turns around oil and natural gas. This will change. The oil and gas crisis will not be an overnight event but a gradual increase of price and a gradual decrease of availability for the average citizen (over decades).

The big days of HHO were in the late 19th century and the early 20th century, so one would have to go through the literature of that time. But this literature is seldom digitized, often not even the bibliographical data, so one has to deal with real books and real paper in many locations (University libraries and even museums), which is a chore. I am sure that there is a lot of information buried.

Splitting water with electricity from solar panels and then burning the HHO in a catalyst oven for sure is a neat concept. But one should not underestimate storage and safety problems with HHO. Also the catalyst (platinum sponge or gauze) will be soiled after a while by residues of the chemical reaction.

The best approach might be to store the electricity from solar panels in conventional batteries and then to create HHO on demand with the electricity from the batteries to avoid storage of HHO. Trivial efficiency calculations do not apply because the sun is shining for free. Of course one could add wind turbines for electricity generation.

The problem is to engineer the whole package (solar panels, batteries, water splitter, catalyst heater) in a way to make it practical and not too expensive.


The question: Let's say electric energy was collected in a battery (by help of solar panels and wind generators). What is more efficient? To use the energy from the battery in a resistor heating (the conventional electric panel heaters) or to split water with the electricity from the battery and to burn the HHO in a catalyst heater? My first thought, the direct way (resistor heating) should be more efficient?

So, all comes down to the question: How or from where do you get the HHO?

And: Do you store HHO?

Just contemplating and dreaming, Conrad

Awesome thoughts and information. Yes hho was in its prime over a hundred years ago and it has been very difficult to find relevant information anywhere on pure hho. You will have no problem on finding information and numbers as it pertains to Hydrogen or H2 but most of the online information as it pertains to hho is surrounded by fringe and crackpot science. Really sad but true. Where I am located, local libraries have become a thing of the past and have nearly turned into a full fledged computer lab. The available hard copy books and information are very narrow in scope. Nothing to be found on HHO. University libraries and museums would be of no use as the distance to travel would not be practical and most likely you will end up empty handed.

It would be nice to see the modern day scientific community and universities around the globe doing studies on the analysis of hho and publishing their findings but sometimes you can't have your cake and eat it too. Most of us have to learn as we go.

HHO gas can be stored safely but its NOT recommended for beginners or the faint of heart. The gas packs a nasty punch when ignited in confined spaces or pressurized containers. Some Military defense contractors decades ago were using hho as a propellant for a Space Cannon in which they were testing the feasibility of launching small satellites into orbit from ground level.  To be absolutely safe, no one should pressurize hho. All of us use the gas on demand because of the dangers involved with pressurization of the gas. Low on demand flow rates of the gas is very safe when using the proper safety equipment such as a safety bubbler and flashback arrestor.

The first prototype catalytic combustion of hho space heater will be ran using grid power but can easily be ran from battery banks in case of a power outage without much effort. Estimated wattage will be somewhere between 2-400 watts. The hope will be higher heat output compared to the same wattage resistive type heater. What little bit of information you can find on catalytic hho heating it is suggesting up to 4x in terms of input wattage vs output heat. This has yet to be verified but crude testing has me excited the idea may prove out to be true. If testing validates any type of efficiency over comparable electric resistive space heaters then it is economical and practical to run the hho heating system from grid power. This early in the testing one can only hope and make excited assumptions.

Solar and Wind are viable mechanisms for producing power to run the electrolysis systems when needed.  Excess power can be sent to be stored in battery banks for future use if needed but the hope is to get rid of the heavy batteries and replace with fuel cells and storage tanks for the Hydrogen and Oxygen. That is probably a few years out for me at the pace of things recently but for now the H-Cat heater will be initially ran using grid power.

Hopefully in the next few weeks, I will have the system fully built to really put it to the test.

[LibreEnergia]

What utter garbage this whole HHO thing is. It's simply a 2 to 1 stoichiometric mix of H2 and 02 gasses.
Incredibly dangerous to store.

Why not simply keep the hydrogen and store that, which is a far safer thing to do.

[jdc.products@gmail.com]

What utter garbage this whole HHO thing is. It's simply a 2 to 1 stoichiometric mix of H2 and 02 gasses.
Incredibly dangerous to store.

Why not simply keep the hydrogen and store that, which is a far safer thing to do.

Garbage? I'm not in the mood to write you off but let me clarify a few things. HHO can be safely stored but its NOT recommended. Yes it is far safer to store H2 and is something I'm working on. I can use the Catalytic Converter to purify the gas out of my split cell.

That is really not what this thread is about. I was answering some questions from the previous poster before you decided to enlighten us with your ignorance and repeat the same thing I just said.

This thread is about on demand hho used in a catalytic combustion process to yield heat for space heating. Got anything else you would like to add from the peanut gallery?

[ramset]

Conrad
I was surprised at how efficient resistive heating actually is,it will come down to Dollars.
we know we can take 10 dollars worth of electricity and get almost 10 dollars worth of heat from it with a resistor.

if we take 10 dollars worth of electricity and make HHO with it ,and then we get 7 dollars worth of heat minus all the extra infrastucture of the HHO system and its costs/concerns.


It will all comes down to dollars in this instance ,

I am not sure why Justin has not thrown a box over that Cat yet /being a man I can only imagine he has the same curiosity as Myself ,anytime I build anything or change anything the very first thing I do is test it before I make any claims or changes ,this is how we engineer .

Especially before I ask others to participate and help?

and this being the most simple test a person could imagine a box and a thermometer???

however seeing that small reaction zone in the Video making only 1000F with all that energy I suspect he has done some testing and is trying to figure out how to get more heat from it before he does a formal public test.

I think he will have fun playing with it there are other reactions taking place in this cat
during the recombination proccess [vacuum] .

It is a cool thing to see and we all need the heat.
I got my fingers crossed..............

Like yourself Conrad I have other irons in the fire ,there just doesn't seem to be enough time to play with everything................

Thx
Chet
ps
I see Justin made two posts since I sarted typing a responce to Conrad......
good morning again Justin,
Have a good day