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Overunity Machines Forum



Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

Started by mondrasek, February 13, 2014, 09:17:30 AM

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MarkE

Quote from: webby1 on March 26, 2014, 06:07:48 PM
Well someone is deleting things,, Johns response to mine was on another page and now it is back one.

Leaving the weight on the jack means that you did nothing useful.

The ZED, you leave some weight on it to bring the rest pressure up so that there is not a long distance between rest and lift.
Now paranoia is setting in.

MarkE

Quote from: mondrasek on March 26, 2014, 06:40:26 PM
I am sorry if you misunderstood or I misrepresented my "intent."

To be clear:  My INTENT was to see if the ASSUMPTION that an Ideal ZED acts exactly the same as an ideal simple hydraulic cylinder as it has been reduced to in pervious Analyses, was correct.

I did not find that ASSUMPTION to be correct.

I was surprised when my calculations from a specific State to another appeared to show a change in the Energy that crossed into or out of or remained in the Ideal ZED.

I was surprised because that would mean the Ideal ZED was NOT acting as a simple hydraulic cylinder.

Again, to be clear:  The Ideal ZED Analysis is not constrained to a cycle from State 2 to State 3 and back.  The correct cycle for the Analysis is:

State 1(x) -> State 2 -> State 3 -> State 1(x)
From a standpoint of what happens in AR7 to what happens with the risers, why don't you think that this device acts like a single hydraulic cylinder?

Without new machinery to attempt to harvest the internal energy loss going from State 3 to State 1X, you dramatically increase your losses.


MileHigh

Question for Webby:

You know how there are spill-off channels for big dams, and often they are layered in steps.  Imagine a long horizontal concrete channel 100 meters in length, then the level drops by one meter, then another long channel and so on.

So imagine that setup.  There is a decent flow of water, dropping down in one-meter steps every 100 meters.  When you look at it from a distance, on average you can say that the water is flowing about the same speed along the length of each 100-meter-long channel.  Mostly the water is not turbulent, it flows relatively smoothly.

So the question is what can you say about the water when it is in channel #2 as compared to the water in channel #1 as the water flows from channel #1 to channel #2?

MileHigh

powercat

What do these three have in common,  webby1, Red_sunset, Wayne Travesty

Continuously claiming for two years or more that a ZED produces free energy.

Argue with anyone that doesn't support their claim, divert the argument and make them justify their position, be vague and misleading.

When shown evidence why it doesn't work, pretend something has been missed and start the argument all over again.

Always had a verbal argument never show a continuous running device,  promise but never have anything verified by anyone credible.
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minnie




   powercat,
                 after all the years team Zydro hasn't shown one thing that could be classed as
    supporting their claim.
         All that comes from them is endless waffle.
     I'm sure that Webby must be more clever than he appears to be from his comments.
        These adjectives seem to fit the team, boring,repetitive,ignorant,manipulating,(lying?)
     irritating.
         One thing that is particularly annoying is the rude manner with which they address Mark,
      T.K. and others who point out the flaws in their assumptions.
          It is nearly always the case with these things, if the original device doesn't work no
       amount of subsequent tinkering leads to a positive result
                      John.