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Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

Started by mondrasek, February 13, 2014, 09:17:30 AM

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MarkE

Quote from: webby1 on March 14, 2014, 03:36:34 PM
It is new stuff,, and me,, well that takes some time :)

I like the new layout and all the verbiage, including the output part, is all very helpful.

When I took things way over the top and was getting a .9mm lift with a 504% loss compared to the input it seemed to me that something was not right,, that extra must be coming from the state 0 to state 1,, but then if I removed the pod chamber fluid all that would go back to state 1, so that seems wrong,,

At more normal values I get the expected stuff,, so I guess I am just wrong in thinking there is an issue.
The spreadsheet is not designed to handle overflow or underflow in any of the annular rings.  If you managed to set-up such a case, then it's a pretty safe bet that it will generate non-physical results. 

MarkE

Quote from: webby1 on March 14, 2014, 04:55:06 PM
ST2_AR heights will tell me if they have blown,, kind of handy that :)

Then you can use the prefill height and the fill height to adjust as needed.

It is kind of fun to get a 99.7% usage of the added force and get a very close match to the output.

Plus I look at the audit section as well,, can not have any volume or force errors.
Don't you mean 99.7% of the added energy?

minnie




  Webby,
           Good work!
                           John.

MarkE

Quote from: webby1 on March 14, 2014, 08:38:33 PM
YES!,, my bad for not putting that there,, and the output was close to the same energy value,, so almost in for out :)
And that is the best that you can ever do:  Recover almost but never quite as much energy out as you put in cycling from one state to some other state and back to the original state.  The system is fundamentally lossy and it is the "ideal ZED".  Any real device with compressible air and real friction will exhibit more loss.

Stacking multiple lossy things in series just ends up with more loss. 

There is no "Travis Effect".
There is no alteration of the conservative nature of gravity.
There is no switching buoyancy on and off.
There is no "endless supply of abundant energy".

There is only investor money flushed down a pipe dream.

orbut 3000

Quote from: MarkE on March 14, 2014, 09:12:20 PM
There is only investor money flushed down a pipe dream.


That's the Travis Effect: Investor money traveling magically into his pockets without the usually necessary work done.