Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

[MarkE]

Not for nothing TK,, but the implication from this is that you actually have a copy that was not released to the public and hence any thing you show from that requires the owners consent.

Your "for forensic  purposes" does not hold up.

This also is a threat to publicly release said video even tho you know and have stated that you have known it is not for public release.

Webby1 are you a pretend copyright lawyer now?

[MarkE]

BULL,,ABSOLUTE BS,,  What a sack if crapola that all is  MARKE.

What machine did I build EXACTLY to do that?  WHERE did I say EXACTLY what the efficiency is,, I asked for HELP to determine that but did not RECEIVE ANY.

Now,, as I see it,  since your tyranny has been proven to be YOUR OWN inclusion and NOT natures you are going to try and do what,,,, Oh well, it looks like you are going to deliberately misrepresent information on my behalf, and others f course.

It only take s a few good men to stand up against a tyrant,, I may not be all that good but I am standing up against the tyrant.

Foaming at the mouth with false indignation and lies doesn't make any of your lies more credible Tom.

[MarkE]

Where is the insult TK,, where is the threat.

You made the threat and in an uncharacteristic move you made an actionable claim, that is most definiatly NOT like you.

Ooh, Tom Web the pretend lawyer speaks again.  Please cite a reference that makes what TK has said "an actionable claim". 

I wonder if the VOLUME of fluid moving to bring the other bag up to pressure is the same as the pressure drop for the VOLUME leaving the other side???

There is no need to wonder:  Cyclically lifting and lowering weights cannot generate surplus energy because gravity is a conservative field.

I have no issues with seeing what is there, and I have no issues with thinking outside the black box to try and find out what is inside that black box.

In other words:   You have no trouble fantasizing.

MarkE's spreadsheet itself shows a 145% gain for work out WHEN I take and use the buoyant lift plus the riserwall lift as the total uplift force AND it ends up with uplift in the negative state from the calculated lift distance.

Anyone can alter a model to make that model non-physical.  What you cannot do is take your new representations and build a corresponding machine that is over unity.

I have made no other changes to his spreadsheet other than to remove the graphics, copy a few cells to "save" them and then added the computations from the values he has.

The uplift force for the OD is 1.7236063793N

I love it, you've taken a spreadsheet with some 300 plus cells and posted a single number as though that has meaning.

[MarkE]

If webby1 is correct and the buoyant lift Force induced by the water charge to achieve State 2 is 1.7236063793N, then we can do the math.  The Energy released due to the lift is the integral of F*ds.  For the case of the lift F_start is 1.7236063793N and F_end is 0N.  The lift is 2.590 mm.  The integral resolves to 0.5*1.7236063793N*0.002590m = 2.232mJ.  This is clearly larger than the 1.905mJ MarkE calculates was lost from the Energy in the water between State 2 and State 3.

If wishes were dollars they would be worth money.  But wishes are not dollars.  As has been shown over and over and over again the "ideal ZED" that you set up even with all the special allowances we made for it is fundamentally lossy.  IE it is always lossy no matter how configured.

[MarkE]

If the model made by MarkE holds true to the accepted usage of the formulas, then that is what I get WHEN I add the uplift force of the bottom face of the risers, those are 1mm thick.

I was doing a displacement sanity check on MarkE's spreadsheet, I am using it as a teaching guide, and I noticed that the volume of displaced water did not match the lift force in N and so was looking to see what was not the same and the only increase value I have found so far is the riser bottom lift force,, aka riserwall.

The spreadsheet already incorporates the uplift on the risers.  You are double dipping if you add that up lift again.  The spreadsheet includes auditing for the various volumes and forces.