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Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

Started by mondrasek, February 13, 2014, 09:17:30 AM

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powercat

Quote from: mrwayne on April 10, 2014, 08:31:18 AM
You are A troll and a spammer.
What is your excuse for not asking ME or TK to explain why the input is not consumed - while performing work?
Using quotes out of context is not very honest is it?
p.s. I have answered those questions before - it does not make me a liar if you refuse to listen.
good day.
Oh Yeah - if TK Or ME explain why we can not use the energy input after performing external work - you can call me a fraud and liar - until then - you are the Troll...
You are a fraud and liar, you have been shown the evidencend why you're device does not work and your maths is false many times, I understand as a conman you have to stick to script even when you know it's a lie,(let's face it Mrwayne it wouldn't be much of a con if you told the truth)  YOU ARE A FRAUD AND LIAR  Smile
When logic and proportion Have fallen
Go ask Alice When she's ten feet tall

MarkE

Quote from: webby1 on April 10, 2014, 01:24:37 PM
Mark,

Since AR5, AR3 and AR1 are falling, hence negative.

Using normal convention then, the force that is making the vacuum is down and therefore negative, so the reactionary force is positive and that is then subtracted from the Riser2OD.
Reaction force is mA.  The system in each state is static.

MarkE

Quote from: webby1 on April 10, 2014, 02:08:59 PM
These are the riserID forces plus the riser wall forces, and the pod.

If riser 3 is trying to move down, how can it help lift riser 2, if riser 2 is trying to move down how can it help lift riser 1.

+0.0734035817N   pod
+0.1250989764N   r1
-0.0538762422N   r2
-0.1446263159N   r3
+0.0000000000N   Total
2.2789824056mm   lift distance

Riser 3 can not lift itself up, so how can it lift up riser 2.

Riser 3 would need to push down on something to lift itself up since riser 3 is the external interactive component, that component would need to be the water in AR7 or the top side of riser 2.
It sounds like you need to draw up a free body diagram.  Conveniently, diagrams for each state of the contraption are included in the R4 spreadsheet.  Add arrows if you like.  You should try and remember that the: risers, pod, and "air" are massless.

MarkE

Quote from: webby1 on April 10, 2014, 04:20:44 PM
I do actually,, keep them without any mass.

Did you reverse your force direction between the fill of AR1 and the lift?

Are you saying that after this lift distance Riser 3 is still going to be lifting up Riser 2?

These are riser force plus riser wall force.

0.0817433774   pod
0.2719122441   r1
0.1252094906   r2
0.0000000000   r3 <----------
0.4788651122   Total

lift distance
1.8083289794   R3 0 uplift <=at this distance.
The R4 spreadsheet shows all the work done, and done correctly.  R3 is in communication with R2, R1, and the pod, just as the water bottle here is in communication with the pontoons.

mrwayne

Quote from: powercat on April 10, 2014, 01:38:29 PM
You are a fraud and liar, you have been shown the evidencend why you're device does not work and your maths is false many times, I understand as a conman you have to stick to script even when you know it's a lie,(let's face it Mrwayne it wouldn't be much of a con if you told the truth)  YOU ARE A FRAUD AND LIAR  Smile
Powercat - where is the proof you claim?
Is it the unloaded system???
The good that came from that work was to show that the energy could be accounted for.....
And was not consumed................
Read slowly..... still in the system.......
Now do the same thing with a load....... guess what... - still in the system ..and performing external work.....
Now ME already admitted a few posts back that he did not consider the load -
Just a suggestion...you might roll that slanderous mouth closed until you know what you are talking about.
just saying....