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Tinsel
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Chet, in order to design a realistic test protocol, we absolutely need to know some details first.
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I could not agree more.


I will post those details when we get the information[couple days ]


Very nice...
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I'll try not to wave my arms around soo much ,i forgot you can see me.


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Tinsel
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And I would also submit to you that you have no idea how I've spent my time over the past fifteen years. But you can consider this: Bill Alek is still paying for his electricity, and the devices I have built in that time frame work exactly as I have described them.
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I would Also, also submit..
Jack and Konstantin from Solar Hydrogen technologies  say the same thing about the last 15 years
of _their_ lives , only  now they have gone soo far that Nobody believes them?


even when they have independent certified  Test Laboratories issue 3rd party verification of their claims ....


sigh,,,
its just not fair......


Thx
Chet

[MileHigh]

Chet and TK:

Why should we have to design test protocols for Bill if he has been working on his "technology" for years?  Certainly he has to have been testing what he has been working on for years.  There is no way anyone should let Bill "play dumb" with respect to a test protocol.

So I say that Bill should submit his claims and his own test protocols.  I am talking about precise test protocols including any support circuitry and precise descriptions of his measurement techniques.  I refuse to believe that he can't do this.

Let him also share some of his historical test data for his projects.  Why not?  Let's see if Bill himself can describe his own test protocol first.

Then we can have a look at his claims, his own test protocols, and his own historical test data.  Then we can consider that information for a new round of test protocols that are defined in this thread.

In other words, what sense is there in someone saying, "I have a free energy device that outputs electrical power, here are my claims, and now it's up to you guys to figure out how to test it."

The above makes no sense in the overall scheme of things.  If I had been working on a free energy "magic box" for one or three or 15 years I sure as hell should know how to test it.  At this point in time I should have run hundreds and hundreds of tests on my own and understand its power output capabilities in intimate detail.  If you ask me how to test it, I should be able to respond in an instant with how to test it.  I should not have to rely on other people to test it for me.

For example, if I am debugging a circuit board with a scope and a logic analyzer for two months and you ask me a question about testing it, I should be able to respond right away with 100% confidence in what I am saying.  Most of the responses should be almost pure reflex.  What makes the state machine remain in idle mode?  How often does the state machine service a row memory refresh cycle and what signal initiates it?  How much ringing is there along the row and column select lines?  Those are the things you should know by heart if you have been debugging your memory refresh controller for two months.

So, please take my suggestion to heart:  Let Bill submit his performance claims, a suggested test protocol with full and complete details especially precisely how to make the measurements, and some of his own historical test data backing up his claim - before we do anything concrete.  Why not do it this way?  If Bill is real he should be able to provide this information no hassle, no flinching, no complaining.

MileHigh

[e2matrix]

@e2matrix: You have a great problem. Please explain how and why all those people who are working with what you call 'seriously flawed' EM theory are able successfully to design things like... for one example... the computer you are reading this on, whereas those who believe in other formulations... like Alek for example.... cannot design anything that actually works as they claim.
Why is that? Please explain.

And I would also submit to you that you have no idea how I've spent my time over the past fifteen years. But you can consider this: Bill Alek is still paying for his electricity, and the devices I have built in that time frame work exactly as I have described them. Bill cannot say the same thing. Antigravity? I laugh at you and your citations of Jefimenko, whom you clearly have never read in the original and couldn't understand if you had.

No problem at all but do I really have to explain it?   I consider any law (but are they really laws or all just theories?)  that doesn't fit all circumstances it tries to describe as 'flawed' if even one situation does not fit in it's explicit description.  You could say I consider it seriously flawed because I don't think people expounding theories as laws should be doing so until they have been proven right for all situations.   So standard EM theory and laws work for a lot of common situations but IMO does not work for everything and that is why I believe we are stuck with no free energy devices readily available at this time.  But what I am pointing a finger at more so than standard EM theory (even though I believe it's all related) is gravity and magnetism.   Show me a physicist that really knows WHY gravity exists or why magnetism exists.   One who can come up with a bit more than the current ridiculous explanations.    I think they have meticulously hidden or suppressed the few details that can free humanity.   
   I didn't say I know what you have been doing the last 15 years or so but I know Bill has spent a lot of time on this project in that time frame.   What I did say is that he has not been seen spending a lot of time on forums diving into all sorts of different projects to expound how much greater his knowledge is than everyone else.   However it is obvious you have spent a lot of time in the last few years doing just that.   I'm not saying it is wrong that you do this although more than one person seems to think it's an 'ego' thing that you are doing much of the time.   I don't really care other than I think it may at times stifle freedom of exploration and thought when someone is always saying or implying 'it's impossible'. 
     What bothers me a bit though is when someone like Bill has spent a great amount of time to build something and fine tune it and says that he finally has something that can provide free energy and people trash him without having even seen what he has.   Sure go ahead and point out what everyone should know and has always been a very basic concept instilled in people from the day they got their first dollar to spend:  Buyer Beware.   Due your due diligence. 

But so far people are going way beyond that when they haven't even seen any test results whatsoever of this device.    Can we all exercise a little restraint from the bashing?   

You are right that I have not read Jefimenko's book but I can assure you that if I chose to do so and if I had the desire to dig into it I could most definitely understand it.   I'm not going to get into the reasons why I know this because it would put me in an uncomfortable place and I refuse to go there.   

Also in regards to the QEG, FTW and Hopegirl yes I have followed some of it despite having been on vacation for a while.   Yes I know they are struggling but we see differently on that too.   I think they have good intentions and those are not just about making money for their selves.   Whether they succeed or not with the QEG I think they have been a huge success in another way.   When the QEG started going viral on the Internet it brought 'HOPE' to a lot of people and even more important IMO it brought awareness of potential alternate energy sources, awareness of suppression of alternate energy and awareness that there may still be ways to save this planet, clean up the polluting energy sources and free man from the slavery created by the world energy and banking cartels. 

[MileHigh]

E2matrix:

I may try to address your full posting tomorrow (I am over tired right now), but right now I just want to touch on this one point:

clean up the polluting energy sources and free man from the slavery created by the world energy and banking cartels

"Just as every cop is a criminal, and all the sinners saints."

You say "slavery" and I say "freedom."

You really and truly and truly use the term "slavery."  It's an often repeated cliche that we have all read thousands of times.  I say the true term is "freedom."

I challenge you to "think outside of the box" and tell me why the word should be "freedom."  Come on now, I challenge you to turn your thinking around by 180 degrees and argue why the word should be "freedom."

I am not saying that you have to think like that.  Rather, I am challenging you to use your intellect to argue the opposite argument to what you are stating.  Let's see some intelligent rhetoric and logical reasoning and deduction from you to argue "freedom" as opposed to "slavery."

MileHigh

[picowatt]

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I would Also, also submit..
Jack and Konstantin from Solar Hydrogen technologies  say the same thing about the last 15 years
of _their_ lives , only  now they have gone soo far that Nobody believes them?


even when they have independent certified  Test Laboratories issue 3rd party verification of their claims ....


sigh,,,
its just not fair......


Thx
Chet

The problem with SHT is that their H2 production versus energy in, and the fact that only H2 is produced, is consistent with what would be expected if aluminum billet or electrodes were being converted to aluminum oxide.  I also believe that they stated that electrodes needed to be replaced regularly, which is also consistent with conversion of aluminum to its oxide.

There is at least one patent on a similar process, and Renault, Peugeot or Fiat (can't remember which) looked into using aluminum in this process as an alternate fuel source some time ago.  In the version they tested,  the end of a a spool of Al wire contacted a rotating steel drum as current passed between them.  The Al captured the Oxy in the H2O as the Al was converted to the oxide and pure H2 was released for use as fuel.  The Al wire was advanced from the spool as the Al was consumed (oxidized).  The AlO2 was filtered from the H2O/electrolyte and could later be collected, removed and then recycled for conversion back to pure AL  It takes a lot of energy (heat) to convert the AlO2 back to Al, and it is this energy that is "stored" in the Al and used to assist the decomposition of the water.

Similar systems chemically decompose Al to its oxide using a strong base for example, and I also believe I saw one system that merely mechanically scraped the surface of an Al billet to expose fresh Al while underwater (Al has a very strong affinity for oxygen).

So far, it seems that only SHT's claim of the input energy required versus H2 output has been verified, with most other aspects being held as proprietary.  Their claims are not "unbelievable", but until all consumables are known, the jury remains out as to whether this is some new, unique, or unexplained process...

PW