Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)

[herm]

George and Mark:

Sorry for the side debate but I think that we all have to be real, and reminded of that from time to time.

I screen capped your equation on the EMF generation and it is attached to this posting.

For starters, why are you calling it "Energy" or "Energy transfer?"  It looks like it's an equation for EMF generation.  I have to read your second paper a few more times and it's late now.  Permit me to make a few more comments/questions just the same.

There is the resonating primary inductance (two coils), and the output secondary (also two coils.)  Your equation would be clearer if you define if you are talking about the primaries or secondaries for the currents, voltages, and inductance values.

I am not comfortable with your parametric coupling term (i * dL/dt).   I am assuming that you are talking about the primary inductance because the primary inductance is not constant.  When you state "i" I am also assuming that you are talking about the primary current.  The problem is that the primary current "i" is also a function of the primary inductance and the time phase of the LC resonator.  The way the equation is written it appears that you are treating the current "i" as a constant.

Sorry for all the issues raised, but if you are basing your discussion on that formula it needs to be clear and the derivation of that formula could use more explanation.

My argument is that the act of somehow varying the primary inductance itself is not a mechanism to produce power.  It's the "background" process where within all that LC resonant stuff going on, you still have conventional mechanical-to-electrical generation taking place and the associated back-torque on the motor due to Lenz drag.  I think you also state that in your paper.

Thanks,

MileHigh

You are correct the E in the " energy transfer equation" does stand for emf or voltage and only indirectly indicates energy or
power (instantaneous voltage times current) capability. I am talking about the resonating primary inductance coils. As both
L and i are variables in time, taking the derivative of their product is covered by the chain rule which expands to the two terms
to the right of the equal sign. I contend that in this device the primary energy transfer from mechanical to electrical is by
parametric means and only incidentally thru normal induction, such as during starting. Since all magnetic fields are AC in this device, its components tend to loose any residual magnetism during operation.

[F_Brown]

George and Mark:

Sorry for the side debate but I think that we all have to be real, and reminded of that from time to time.

I screen capped your equation on the EMF generation and it is attached to this posting.

For starters, why are you calling it "Energy" or "Energy transfer?"  It looks like it's an equation for EMF generation.  I have to read your second paper a few more times and it's late now.  Permit me to make a few more comments/questions just the same.

There is the resonating primary inductance (two coils), and the output secondary (also two coils.)  Your equation would be clearer if you define if you are talking about the primaries or secondaries for the currents, voltages, and inductance values.

I am not comfortable with your parametric coupling term (i * dL/dt).   I am assuming that you are talking about the primary inductance because the primary inductance is not constant.  When you state "i" I am also assuming that you are talking about the primary current.  The problem is that the primary current "i" is also a function of the primary inductance and the time phase of the LC resonator.  The way the equation is written it appears that you are treating the current "i" as a constant.

Sorry for all the issues raised, but if you are basing your discussion on that formula it needs to be clear and the derivation of that formula could use more explanation.

My argument is that the act of somehow varying the primary inductance itself is not a mechanism to produce power.  It's the "background" process where within all that LC resonant stuff going on, you still have conventional mechanical-to-electrical generation taking place and the associated back-torque on the motor due to Lenz drag.  I think you also state that in your paper.

Thanks,

MileHigh

pmgr,

Yes, things took a biit of a wild turn here.  Thank you for help with FEMM.  I'm beginning to get the hang of it now.  I just wish I could figure out how to script the process of extracting the coil current vs rotor angle from my SPICE analysis then plugging that figure into the FEMM torque vs rotor angle analysis, and finally integrating the area under the resulting curve.  I'm sure octave could do that, although in this case it would probable just be faster to do it manually than to figure out all the necessary scripting. 



Miles,

The Russian paper on parametric excitation I read used a mechanical system for the fundamental build up of the math.  In the mechanical system is was easier to intuit that physical parametric excitation of the system would require the input of energy.   In the electrical equivalent of that mechanical system this is less obvious.     

To to complete the full picture of the QEG, it is required to add in an equation that provides the torque on shaft of the system operating in resonance as a function of angle.  I'm working on that.  I identified a number of mistakes in my previous torque analysis, the next should be much better.  It just takes a long time to manually iterating all the data.

Stay turned for more results...

[pmgr]

Greetings:
I am new to this site and am reposting the following which I have already posted on the QEG be-do.com site.
I am attaching two pdf documents.  Please read them in the following order:

1st pdf attachment (our first attempt to reverse engineer the QEG)
this posting
2nd pdf attachment (a description of our construction of a 1/4 scale version of the QEG)

@herm

I am impressed with your theoretical analysis so far and the mini build! The inductance of the primaries indeed varies more like a triangle, see the attached graph. (@F_brown, no need to model your inductance as a triangle shape; a triangle can be modelled by a finite Fourier series of sinusoidals, so for the principal of proof this is not necessary; it will only make your calculations longer).

I believe I have a working time domain model for the QEG now and would like to help you speeding up your experimental work in figuring out theoretical design parameters that would optimize output power and minimize back MMF. The shape of your voltage and current traces look very similar to what my simulations show for the original design (another indication that things can be scaled). Some more detailed measurements from your end would be helpful in confirming my model as well and making a mini 1/4 scale simulation).

On a side note, this thread is getting quite jumbled with all kinds of stuff. It might be a good idea to start a separate QEG modeling thread to keep all the modeling/experiments in one place? @F_Brown, @herm, what do you guys think?

Do you have a direct email address (I sent you a PM on the forum here). Mine is pmgriphone@gmail.com.

PmgR
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[isim]

Hi every  body!
@herm
May be this pdf will help you:
http://muir.massey.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10179/4834/02_whole.pdf?sequence=1

[Acca]

 What this thing ?? why is there no magnetic core in the center of the generator to generate power ??

link to the new post video of the QEG from Morocco..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Qb8y_OSIg
Acca...