Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)

[PiCéd]

Just another angle of view, for the moment nothing is proven, no self runing, just a black plug in a source.

[PiCéd]

It was not overunity at this point, the exciter circuit needs to be completed although they are finding it difficult to find HV caps in Morocco

So, nothing or insufficient dielectric strength.

[pmgr]

I just wish I could figure out how to script the process of extracting the coil current vs rotor angle from my SPICE analysis then plugging that figure into the FEMM torque vs rotor angle analysis, and finally integrating the area under the resulting curve.  I'm sure octave could do that, although in this case it would probable just be faster to do it manually than to figure out all the necessary scripting. 

@F_brown
Yes, I remember first learning FEMM. It's a pretty powerful FREE program. You picked up very quickly yourself! Especially on the movie and animation front!

Regarding what you are trying to do with it, try it the other way around: simulate the static behavior in FEMM as a function of angle. This should give you everything (inductance, mutual inductance, torque/amp). Check the FEMM manual for the "mo_getcircuitproperties" and "mo_blockintegral" function. Then use those static parameters in your SPICE time domain simulation (multiply the static torque/amp by the current to get the torque as a function of angle and time; this assumes we remain in the non-saturated core regime which should be OK for now; we can go back and verify later if we are indeed in that regime). To model the torque in SPICE, write down the equations of motion for the torque: it will be a second order system, one for angle (theta) as a function of time and one for angular speed (S) as a function of time and split the system into two first order differential equations, which you can then model in SPICE with an L or C circuit (I am sure Googling for e.g. "DC motor equations in SPICE" can give you some useful links). Then the angle and angular speed needs to be fed back into your original circuit:

\frac{d(LI)}{dt} = L \cdot \frac{d I}{d t} + I \cdot \frac{d L}{dt} =  L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot \frac{dL}{d\theta} \cdot \frac{d \theta}{dt} = L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot \frac{dL}{d\theta} \cdot S = L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot R(\theta,S)

(see attached figure for formula).

So in your original circuit you need to add a resistor that gets its value from the other two circuits (theta and S).

Hope this helps!

Glad to see you are one of the few who goes all the way out to try and model things. It's a great learning experience!

Let me know if you have question. Email me directly if that is easier for you (pmgriphone@gmail.com)

PmgR
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[F_Brown]

@F_brown
Yes, I remember first learning FEMM. It's a pretty powerful FREE program. You picked up very quickly yourself! Especially on the movie and animation front!

Regarding what you are trying to do with it, try it the other way around: simulate the static behavior in FEMM as a function of angle. This should give you everything (inductance, mutual inductance, torque/amp). Check the FEMM manual for the "mo_getcircuitproperties" and "mo_blockintegral" function. Then use those static parameters in your SPICE time domain simulation (multiply the static torque/amp by the current to get the torque as a function of angle and time; this assumes we remain in the non-saturated core regime which should be OK for now; we can go back and verify later if we are indeed in that regime). To model the torque in SPICE, write down the equations of motion for the torque: it will be a second order system, one for angle (theta) as a function of time and one for angular speed (S) as a function of time and split the system into two first order differential equations, which you can then model in SPICE with an L or C circuit (I am sure Googling for e.g. "DC motor equations in SPICE" can give you some useful links). Then the angle and angular speed needs to be fed back into your original circuit:

\frac{d(LI)}{dt} = L \cdot \frac{d I}{d t} + I \cdot \frac{d L}{dt} =  L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot \frac{dL}{d\theta} \cdot \frac{d \theta}{dt} = L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot \frac{dL}{d\theta} \cdot S = L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot R(\theta,S)

(see attached figure for formula).

So in your original circuit you need to add a resistor that gets its value from the other two circuits (theta and S).

Hope this helps!

Glad to see you are one of the few who goes all the way out to try and model things. It's a great learning experience!

Let me know if you have question. Email me directly if that is easier for you (pmgriphone@gmail.com)

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I ran out of money to do anything with a while ago, so I got into modeling things alot.  I'm have near 10 years experience with SPICE now.  One can explore the behavior of a circuit very quickly without having to mess with a soldering irons,  bread boards, or scope and meter probes.  Then when I feel I understand the circuit, I'll build it if I can afford to and see how it differs from the model.  It's been quite interesting. 

A separate modeling thread would be welcome.  At this point the "discussion" of whether the CEG is  going to be under unity or over unity is moot to me.

At the moment I am redesigning the rotor profile to fit the parametric parameters I got to work in SPICE.  Then I take on the new equations.

Cheers,

FB


PS  After getting half-way though my second torque analysis, I have noticed that the QEG core is acting quite non-linear concerning inductance vs. current.  I think to get an accurate model we'll have to do exactly what you mentioned, which is to use FEMM to map out the inductance of the core and create a current vs angle inductance table, then use that in the SPICE model.

[hartiberlin]

Sorry, to burst all your hopes,
but I just heard yeasterday regarding the QEG measurements in Morroco , that Gerhard Roessler, a German electrical engineer has just measured :

500 Watts input power from the drive motor and only 120 Watts maximal output power at the lamps...

so no overunity and no selfrunning...

it seems the claimed "raw power" of Mr. Robitaille was either measurement errors or a
lie to make lots of money with donations...too bad...

Regards, Stefan.