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Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)

Started by madddann, March 26, 2014, 09:42:27 PM

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Farmhand

Thanks guys, for all the tips, I've found a light meter that reads in Lux and Foot Candles and has a laser pointer so it can be put
in the same place repeatedly, just a cheap one but will do for comparisons to gauge improvements for the same Lamp or not ect.

Not wanting anything "official". Can't afford it. It's a red one so it should be fast enough to catch the light.  ;)
New "smart" phone should allow me to get short video's and pictures quickly and easily, wifi as well which could be handy in
the future. Whats a free energy device if we can't turn it on with an Android phone ! screw Apple, and MicroHarsh.  >:(

Might even get one of those "micro computer systems", the tiny ones.
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isim

@Farmhand
The power calculated from "betterfluroshot" is near 1.5W
This, with CSR=0.1ohm and CH1, CH2 in volt,
so Power=Vch1 * Vch2/CSR  in Watt.
I take the means on one periode.
I think I found a spice model from  https://initkms.ru/umk/etf/d/A_dynamic_pspice_model_for_high-frequency_fluorescent...%28Tao_F.,_etc.%29.pdf
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Pirate88179

Farmhand:

Here is an easy way to measure/compare light output.  Take a solar cell and place it in a fixed position from your light.  Measure the output voltage and then you have a good baseline.  Try another circuit and then, using the same light, at the same distance, measure the output voltage and...there you have it.  Actually, this method is only good for comparing light output and is not really a measurement, but, it is very accurate and, as long as the tests are done in the same place with the same amount of ambient light, you get real, hard numbers.  Obviously solar cells respond better to some wavelengths over others but you can get around this by using the same set-up for all tests.

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen

isim

@Farmhand
In fact, as your tube is in // with -1 the capacitor -2 the inductance in series with the CSR
The current you measure is only the inductance current!
The Tube current is different. So put the CSR in serial with the load. I think that in your circuit, and because you only have one spike current by period, the tube is like a diode and with the capacitor and is in continuous conduction, (with it anode always on the same extremity) !
So to test this hypothesis and have the current in the lamp, it would be necessary to place the CSR in serial with the load with one connection to GND, and a DC connection with the oscilloscope...
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Farmhand

Quote from: isim on August 21, 2014, 02:34:28 AM
@Farmhand
In fact, as your tube is in // with -1 the capacitor -2 the inductance in series with the CSR
The current you measure is only the inductance current!
The Tube current is different. So put the CSR in serial with the load. I think that in your circuit, and because you only have one spike current by period, the tube is like a diode and with the capacitor and is in continuous conduction, (with it anode always on the same extremity) !
So to test this hypothesis and have the current in the lamp, it would be necessary to place the CSR in serial with the load with one connection to GND, and a DC connection with the oscilloscope...
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The 0.1 Ohms resistor is in series with the load "outside the tank" The load waveforms are a lot different to the tank wave forms.

I'll make a more proper measurement drawing of how I got the wave forms, I use three CSR's one for sensing the current in
each tank and one for sensing the current from the resonant tank to the load. SO to get the tank and the load (fluro) traces I
used two different CSR's one inside the tank circuit and one inside the load circuit.
The tank current is about 900 mA and there is about 75 VA or more in the tank. The tank power and the load power are related
but very different. many magnitudes different.

My bad, I assumed everyone would just know what I was doing.
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Sorry for the bold but I can't work out how to do "italics" here.
P.S. Here is how I got the traces, and can again, the color coded dot's match the scope connections in this drawing.

Green = grounds
Yellow = Voltage
Blue = Current sense points, one for tank current "Rs2" and one for load current Rs3.
I just move the blue probe between the sense points Rs2 and Rs3 to get a value for the tank current and for the load current sense.

The sine wave current trace through the load must be displacement current through the tube capacitance or stray inductance
in the leads. My bet is a bit of both.  :)

Umm, is it possible to calculate the total VA to the tube or in the load circuit ?
I've only got two probes so I can only use one current sense point at a time. I don't invert during the measurement, I just
move the probe.
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