The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.

[MarkE]

I know about this part TK,, it is not in how high  things are , nor is it in actually how far they move from start to finish,, it is in how much gravity they use up,, I know, confusing term, but that would be that change in gravity that is not replaced or recovered.

So what did it cost the surfer for that free ride?

I fully believe that gravity is a conserved field,, that does not mean that it can not be used.

I ask you as well,, So what did it cost the surfer for that free ride?

Tom, it has been pointed out to you several times now that gravity is not a consumed item.  GPE is conserved. The surfer's ride is all paid for with externally supplied energy.  If you think both that gravity is a conservative field and that objects can be moved over some closed path and yield or take net GPE then you hold two concepts that are at fundamental odds with each other.

[camelherder49]

Where did I say force was energy??

But if you think, based on symantics, that gravitational force
acting on water falling 100 ft. to a turbine is a non-event
and man has not tapped into the force of gravity at no cost
and no overall destruction of the force, then explain away.

[minnie]

  I would think the surfer's ride comes courtesy of the Sun and Moon.
                     John.

[MarkE]

Where did I say force was energy??

But if you think, based on symantics, that gravitational force
acting on water falling 100 ft. to a turbine is a non-event
and man has not tapped into the force of gravity at no cost
and no overall destruction of the force, then explain away.

Gravity is a conservative field so you could not be about your wits and propose that gravity is a free energy source.  The acceleration due to gravity, the apparent force is of course always there whether we want it or not.

Hydro dams are deferred solar energy.  Solar energy does the lifting.  We recover a small percentage of that energy as the water works its way back to the sea.

[conradelektro]

Standard theory shows that gravity is a conserved field and many careful experiments since 200 years have proven that.

Therefore, no amount of words and no amount of strange theories will do to undo that.

The only way forward for "gravity machine believers" is to show a conclusive and reproduceable experiment. And exactly that has never happened. All we get is words and strange theories. Kind of boring after 200 years.

Greetings, Conrad