COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,

[Farmhand]

Like water off a ducks back ! Gotta keep ya eye on the ball ! Don't listen to the crowd heckling and don't let an unfair ref get you're back up ! Easy.

[popolibero]

Don't forget that when switched, the load will run on the differential voltage between input source voltage and the cap voltage. It will not see the source voltage.

I don't think it is imperative to buy the video. Of course it helps, but enough has already been discussed here and elsewhere to understand the basic concept which, once understood, is quite simple.

regards,
Mario

[MileHigh]

If those guys are claiming COP 20 for a black box with some kind of AC signal at the input, and some kind of AC signal at the output into some kind of a load, then proper measurements of the input voltage and current and output voltage and current are the bare minimum requirements.  Typically you would use a DSO to do the instantaneous power measurements and then average them over several cycles.  If the bandwidth in the signals is low enough (and I believe they are), you can do it with a cheap USB-style scope that you connect to a home computer.

The goal is to measure the average power input and average power output.  It's the same standard technique for any similar proposition.  It doesn't matter what kind of circuit is inside the black box.  And many participants in the thread on EF seem to be actively resisting this, when in fact they should be encouraging this.  It boggles the mind sometimes.

Also, this proposition is not much different than many other propositions that have been seen over the years.  But Aaron thought that it was a good one to make money on.  So presumably he cut a deal with the two guys and they made a DVD.  It's like a vampire bat feeding on the blood of a cow at nighttime.

[SeaMonkey]

There may be much more than what is presently believed
to this device.  Apparently much more than simply charging
and discharging capacitors or inductors at critical points
repetitively within each cycle of Input (well timed periods
of Taking then Giving Back) Voltage and Current.

What would it take to perfect the illusion of being able to
return to the Source nearly all of the power extracted by
the load;  in such a way that power measurement devices
are incapable of recognizing the illusion?

Is it a scheme of high speed extraction and return of energy
for very brief periods multiple times during the duration of
each Input Cycle?

Obviously, whatever is taking place to produce the "Magic"
is quite complex and at a considerably higher frequency than
the power line.  Why else would the device need electronic
switches which are capable of nanoSecond speeds?

It is a very clever scheme, to be sure.  Playing Ponzi on the
Source with what appears to be reliability.

Miles Higher,

"Trash Talk" is a Man thing.  Although it may seem "unfriendly"
it generally isn't.  You'd have to have been a Sailor or a Soldier
(or a Grunt) who's been through Dire Straits with trusted
companions to appreciate its purpose.  It is a Test.

Theo Ap is a colorful guy and I can't see any evidence that he's
mis-interpreting the various sources he's presented.  Fascinating
possibilities!

Erron, on the other hand, is a crybaby and his 'trash talk' is truly
pathetic as you've correctly noted.

[Farmhand]

Some questions need to be asked directly of the guys who claim this stuff not through Aaron as a third party.

1) The output says VA.
2) The current trace shows double the Line frequency I think not 4 x as the picture says but the effect would be similar.
3) The Math trace on the input transformer side we see the part under the line as returned power that also powered the globes,
that is not true as that power was put "out of phase and does not contribute to the load power (output).
4) There is no Voltage trace on the input side scope shot, this means we cannot see the voltage to current phase relationship.

Starting to look a bit more amateurish to me.
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Even the dynaflux thing just takes power from the motor as well as flyback and returns it to the capacitor bank by the looks of it.
It only takes one dishonesty to be proven while they maintain honesty to totally ruin their credibility.
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P.S. Oh and as well as that the current, voltage and the power trace are not symmetrical on the output trace, but they are symmetrical on the input trace, shots taken quite some time apart !!!!.
Could there be an offset at play as well (icing on the cake) ?
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