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Overunity Machines Forum



1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%

Started by cipbranea, May 21, 2014, 01:38:08 AM

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2020man

Quote from: MoRo on October 31, 2014, 07:15:49 PMThen think of a large unit at the bottom producing massive torque and progressively smaller units above it! with the very top small unit being driven with a very tiny motor, and the gravitational chain reaction driving each successively bigger one!  ;D


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Hi!

I don't think it's a matter of torque in at the top - one wants to put next to no energy in there - just direct it, lean the pole, let the weight want to fall and do the work. The pole simply has to lean forward, at 90 degrees to the arm and follow the arm round rather than lead it or drive it.

For this reason stacking them won't work, I'm sure but excess electrical energy should come out of the bottom with the idea of that powering the directing motors on others

Best wishes

2020

Spirit

Just close the loop already and see what happens.
Small motor for input and a generator for output then link them together.
If the generator can run the small input motor then it will be a self running machine :)
Use appropriate weights.
I'm thinking you would have to started by hand then let the machine run itself.

MoRo

Quote from: 2020man on October 31, 2014, 11:43:28 PM
Hi!

I don't think it's a matter of torque in at the top - one wants to put next to no energy in there - just direct it, lean the pole, let the weight want to fall and do the work. The pole simply has to lean forward, at 90 degrees to the arm and follow the arm round rather than lead it or drive it.

For this reason stacking them won't work, I'm sure but excess electrical energy should come out of the bottom with the idea of that powering the directing motors on others

Best wishes

2020
On the contrary, even with my bare hands I can detect that torque around the center point is definitely an input function, in order to get the mass to accelerate. It doesn't just fall, you must also stay some degree ahead of it for it to continue to accelerate. Any load applied to the output would counter this acceleration by lifting the mass as it goes out of angular phase with the input shaft. The greater the rotational degree that you stay ahead of the mass, the more output torque you get. (up to 90 degrees out of phase for maximum possible output torque). However one must also consider that there is another force that comes into play besides gravity after the mass begins to rotate and also works to keep the mass in phase with the angle of the input shaft. That is centrifugal force. So it is imperative to take a torque measurement to determine the truth of the mater.

So the question IS whether there is a torque difference between the input and the output wile maintaining a constant angle out-of-phase positioning of the mass from that of the input shaft. This should be tested in both a static and dynamic fashion.


thngr


thngr

COP=8.5 when there is no friction or some thing. this is only one of the stages, if you build it like W. Skinner there will be COP=8.5*8.5 but if no friction is present!