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Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC

Started by hartiberlin, July 30, 2014, 08:22:30 AM

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sparks

Quote from: MarkE on August 15, 2014, 02:40:12 PM
One could apply AC at any frequency they like, but then have the problem that H2 and O2 would both evolve at each electrode.  The energy required to completely strip eight electrons is huge.  The likelihood that any such process would improve efficiency is next to nil.


  The potential between plates would have to be intense and brief.   The accelerating force is the electric field between the capacitor plates.  Electric fields tend to accelerate electrically charged particles like electrons.  The energy used to charge the cell is used to create the electric field.  This energy is in potential form.  The discharge of the capacitor into the inductance converts it from potential energy stored in the capacitor to potential energy stored in the magnetic field surrounding the inductor.  The cell voltage could reach very high potential creating a very intense electric field permeating the fluid.   This voltage threshold depends on the smoothness of the plates and the k of the insulating film as well as the time of the imposed emf.  We need only to deform the electron orbitals enough to lay the hydrogen protons bare.  We need not ionize them but move them within their orbitals.  The hydrogen nuclei without the electronic insulation effect are accelerated away from each other and the oxygen neucleus  due to like charges repel.  The hydrogen atoms don't need ionization energy to remove themselves from the oxygen bond.  The coulumb force becomes the force driving the molecular fracturing not the applied emf.  Monatomic hydrogen would form first as the hydrogen proton meets electron.  Then hydrogen gas.  The oxygen would now be left with too many electrons in it's deformed valence shell and upon field relaxation become stable as monatomic oxygen until it reacted to form o2 or o3. 
   
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ltseung888

In normal electrolysis case 1, the cathode and anode plates are well separated so to facilitate the collection of gases.

In Browns Gas production, the cathode and anode plates are often placed close together.  The gas coming out is "mixed".

Can the Browns Gas have a different composition (or electron cloud distribution) as case 1?  This will have very important implications.  Different Browns Gas production methods may have very different gas compositions.

More on this later.
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Quote from: sparks on August 16, 2014, 02:48:59 AM

  The potential between plates would have to be intense and brief.   The accelerating force is the electric field between the capacitor plates.  Electric fields tend to accelerate electrically charged particles like electrons.  The energy used to charge the cell is used to create the electric field.  This energy is in potential form.  The discharge of the capacitor into the inductance converts it from potential energy stored in the capacitor to potential energy stored in the magnetic field surrounding the inductor.  The cell voltage could reach very high potential creating a very intense electric field permeating the fluid.   This voltage threshold depends on the smoothness of the plates and the k of the insulating film as well as the time of the imposed emf.  We need only to deform the electron orbitals enough to lay the hydrogen protons bare.  We need not ionize them but move them within their orbitals.  The hydrogen nuclei without the electronic insulation effect are accelerated away from each other and the oxygen neucleus  due to like charges repel.  The hydrogen atoms don't need ionization energy to remove themselves from the oxygen bond.  The coulumb force becomes the force driving the molecular fracturing not the applied emf.  Monatomic hydrogen would form first as the hydrogen proton meets electron.  Then hydrogen gas.  The oxygen would now be left with too many electrons in it's deformed valence shell and upon field relaxation become stable as monatomic oxygen until it reacted to form o2 or o3. 

"We need only to deform the electron orbitals enough to lay the hydrogen protons bare.  We need not ionize them but move them within their orbitals. "  Do you mean you want to ionize the hydrogen?  How else are you going to increase the polarization?

MarkE

Quote from: ltseung888 on August 16, 2014, 04:39:16 AM
In normal electrolysis case 1, the cathode and anode plates are well separated so to facilitate the collection of gases.

In Browns Gas production, the cathode and anode plates are often placed close together.  The gas coming out is "mixed".

Can the Browns Gas have a different composition (or electron cloud distribution) as case 1?  This will have very important implications.  Different Browns Gas production methods may have very different gas compositions.

More on this later.
If there were a unique gas composition that could have been shown by spectral analysis a long time ago.

sparks

      Actually want to increase the water molecule polarization.  The two "shared" electrons move within the oxygen valence orbital.  So you could say the hydrogen and oxygen atoms become ionized.  The hydrogen atoms take on a plus one charge while the oxygen atom takes on -2 charges.  [size=78%]The oxygen atom itself becomes polarized with excess electrons moved towards the positive plate. This leaves the two hydrogen protons and the positive pole of the oxygen atom all working to fracture the molecule.[/size]Polar Water
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