Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC

[MarkE]

Experiments are always good for something.  If you are predisposed that experiments must lead to only one conclusion then no there isn't much point. If you are open to letting the data tell the story, then experiments may: tell you something new, or show you various ways of getting bad data, or just reinforce the status quo.

[sparks]

  In electrolysis at the cathode the water molecule gets an electron from the external voltage supply.  This electron takes the place of the shared electron of one of the hydrogen atoms.  This yields h gas (monatomic) plus oh-aq.   Monatomic hydrogen is highly reactive due to electron pairing.  What happens is that a neighboring water molecule picks up the h and forms an ionic bond becoming h30+.   The monatomic h can also form a covalent bond with another h (again due to electron pairing) and you get h2gas.   The oh-ion will migrate through the solution until it gets to the anode.  There it gives up an electron to the external circuit to form monatomic oxygen plus monatomic hydrogen.  Oxygen forms covalent bonds with other oxygen atoms to form oxygen gas.  The hydrogen formed at the anode is monatomic and as stated before highly reactive forming water hydroxide and hydronium.  All these reactions compete with the formation of hydrogen gas and you get the faraday efficiency.  A lot of work has been done to form catalyst and membrane technology to favor the formation of oxygen and hydrogen over the aqueous ions as well as high temperature electrolysis. 
  The claimed efficiency in this paper is because they are pulsing the electrodes.  The electrons are not being sourced and extracted.   They are being sourced by the atoms in the dielectric.  The high potential external field is probably established using the reaction vessel as a capacitor in a tank circuit that rings down.  The work function of the electrodes increases with frequency so at higher frequencies no electrons are emitted or absorbed by the metal.  They remain in the metal at high density on the negatively charged plate and low density on the positively charged plate.  This permeates the liquid with an electric field.  The electrons normally pumped by the external power supply are coming from the water itself.  Ionization occurs as the electrons from one molecule collide with electrons of other molecules.  The rf currents these people were using is really high and result in all the inefficiencies involved with rf radiation of energy from the system.  Lower frequency using plates with a thin passivated layer deposited on them would allow the lc tank to operate at lower frequency and higher voltage across the water cap.  This is all endothermic.  The  electrons don't want to get squeezed into the negative plate or leave the positive plate.  If the voltage and current are totally out of phase the input power becomes apparent power which allows for very high voltage to develop across the capacitor with a q dependent on the inductor saturation parameters.  You could have 3000 volts across the capacitor and 20amps on the inductor buss.  This would be a kva of 60kva.  The power factor of course would be infinitely low at 90 degrees out.  But still some punch through the electronic fog.

[MarkE]

  In electrolysis at the cathode the water molecule gets an electron from the external voltage supply.  This electron takes the place of the shared electron of one of the hydrogen atoms.  This yields h gas (monatomic) plus oh-aq.   Monatomic hydrogen is highly reactive due to electron pairing.  What happens is that a neighboring water molecule picks up the h and forms an ionic bond becoming h30+.   The monatomic h can also form a covalent bond with another h (again due to electron pairing) and you get h2gas.   The oh-ion will migrate through the solution until it gets to the anode.  There it gives up an electron to the external circuit to form monatomic oxygen plus monatomic hydrogen.  Oxygen forms covalent bonds with other oxygen atoms to form oxygen gas.  The hydrogen formed at the anode is monatomic and as stated before highly reactive forming water hydroxide and hydronium.  All these reactions compete with the formation of hydrogen gas and you get the faraday efficiency.  A lot of work has been done to form catalyst and membrane technology to favor the formation of oxygen and hydrogen over the aqueous ions as well as high temperature electrolysis. 

Let's stipulate at least for the moment that all of that is true.

  The claimed efficiency in this paper is because they are pulsing the electrodes.  The electrons are not being sourced and extracted.   They are being sourced by the atoms in the dielectric.  The high potential external field is probably established using the reaction vessel as a capacitor in a tank circuit that rings down.  The work function of the electrodes increases with frequency so at higher frequencies no electrons are emitted or absorbed by the metal.  They remain in the metal at high density on the negatively charged plate and low density on the positively charged plate.  This permeates the liquid with an electric field.  The electrons normally pumped by the external power supply are coming from the water itself.  Ionization occurs as the electrons from one molecule collide with electrons of other molecules.  The rf currents these people were using is really high and result in all the inefficiencies involved with rf radiation of energy from the system.  Lower frequency using plates with a thin passivated layer deposited on them would allow the lc tank to operate at lower frequency and higher voltage across the water cap.  This is all endothermic.  The  electrons don't want to get squeezed into the negative plate or leave the positive plate.  If the voltage and current are totally out of phase the input power becomes apparent power which allows for very high voltage to develop across the capacitor with a q dependent on the inductor saturation parameters.  You could have 3000 volts across the capacitor and 20amps on the inductor buss.  This would be a kva of 60kva.  The power factor of course would be infinitely low at 90 degrees out.  But still some punch through the electronic fog.

I order to form H₂ and O₂ gas one still has to break the bonds in the water molecule either all at once which would be an interesting trick, or by stripping one H atom first which gets you pretty much back to the original process.

The Indian paper has massive flaws that strongly suggest metrology error.  Additionally, their results are contradicted by the 2005 Japanese effort that they largely copied.  A contradicted, extraordinary result obtained on the basis of metrology that as reported was all screwed up is just junk.  If any of the sponsoring parties took the research seriously they would very likely be spending the time and money to do the experiments properly with well controlled metrology.

[Les Banki]

Guys ... i wanted post here so update about my experimets, but after i read last few pages i realized that it will have no affect.

Noone will care here about trying and testing. Looks like noone perform any real test in few months. Looks like you just hunting for bigest post count with theoretical chick chat.
Why you even spent your time here guys? You all waiting until someone build and test everythnig for you?

I am really disappointed, but is my stupidity that i expected anything more then this.

Well, you are now experiencing it.  I told you so.
Both here and in private.

I am sure you have already discovered that I am publishing technical stuff elsewhere, where SABOTEURS are only allowed to READ!

ALL readers here SHOULD be aware of the following:

MarkE IS a professional SABOTEUR who has been allowed to over-run not only THIS thread but virtually the entire Forum!

He joined this Forum only 228 days ago and has managed to spew fort 3228 posts of dripping negativity CRAP!

That translates to 14.15 posts per DAY.

Would ANY of you reading this have time to do that?
If you could, WHAT would be your REASON??
One could ask: WHAT's in in for you to make that many posts??

Would any of you do this for "free"?  All day, every day???  Averaging 14 posts a day.....!?

Do you remember the NAME of this Forum?
Just to remind you:  OVERUNITY.com

Cheers,
Les Banki

[MarkE]

Well, you are now experiencing it.  I told you so.
Both here and in private.

I am sure you have already discovered that I am publishing technical stuff elsewhere, where SABOTEURS are only allowed to READ!

ALL readers here SHOULD be aware of the following:

MarkE IS a professional SABOTEUR who has been allowed to over-run not only THIS thread but virtually the entire Forum!

He joined this Forum only 228 days ago and has managed to spew fort 3228 posts of dripping negativity CRAP!

That translates to 14.15 posts per DAY.

Would ANY of you reading this have time to do that?
If you could, WHAT would be your REASON??
One could ask: WHAT's in in for you to make that many posts??

Would any of you do this for "free"?  All day, every day???  Averaging 14 posts a day.....!?

Do you remember the NAME of this Forum?
Just to remind you:  OVERUNITY.com

Cheers,
Les Banki

Let's recap:  You don't have a working unit.  You can't point to a working unit, but you say the problem is me.  So, let me ask you:

Prior to when I posted here, about how many free energy devices discussed here were proven to work?
About how long a period of time did that occur over?
And since I came here about eight months ago, how many free energy devices discussed here have been proven to work?
How has the rate of proven free energy device per month changed since I began posting here?