Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference

[G4RR3ττ]

Sweet Baby Ray's BBQ sauce TK; are you still using Win98?! Hopefully it's just a virtual machine... Thou hath dated thine self--if not used to solely run your scope software.

Ahem. Moving on, I do agree that measurement error is likely. First, never trust any "TRMS" measurements made by meters that don't use thermal methods. Admittedly, since there is low harmonic content, TRMS converter accuracy really isn't that big of an issue here. Second, I don't trust those old Fluke 90 series scope meters for serious measurement accuracy, particularly when it comes to determining phase angle.

Phase should have been measured with a two channel 100MHz+ counter (e.g. Racal-Dana 1992 / Keithley 776 / Philips 6666 or equivalent.) and the phase offset at the frequency of operation should have been determined for the current sensor: Transformer disconnected, with a resistor of known value shorting the amplifier to determine phase offset and amplitude accuracy of the measurement system (current sensor signal and voltage across R_L should have equal phase and amplitude after quantitative corrections). Second, are all the connecting cables of the same length going to the scope? Velocity factor and transmission line distance do affect phase, although subtly at these low frequencies. The offset test would compensate for this, but assuming wires are the same length and same V_f along with assuming no phase offset at the hall-effect sensor is bad measurement ethic.

I'm still open to the idea, however. I do think it is possible to maintain reflection at the primary (remaining mostly "reactive") and do work at the secondary with a lower net divergence of energy from the source than that done by the load. If you integrate the product of V_pri(t) * I_pri(t) at the primary and integrate V_sec(t) * I_sec(t) at the secondary, using the measurements taken by Bill Alek, you get a greater divergence of energy at the load than that seen by the source. Integration in this instance yields the net energy, which denotes direction of real power: positive = loss of energy, negative = gain in energy, zero = no net change. Thus power is indeed dissipated at the primary, but more is dissipated at the load.

Alek seems to believe that the secondary bucking fields are causing a material* effect in the common-mode choke section. *"material" as in material science, an effect due to the atomic and or molecular structure of a substance. Which is an interesting idea in consideration of all the odd phenomena that magnetic materials are capable of (e.g. magnetic refrigeration, spin waves and giant magnetoreistance), it seems plausible that a material effect could be taking place.

If the cooling effect is indeed real (I'm not implying that it is), it could be that ambient thermal energy (heat) is being converted into electrical energy by some quantum or atomic process. Basically a heat pump that transforms a quantity of heat into an increase in magnetism. Electrically it would appear to be seen as a negative resistance and the phase angle is directly proportional to this as arctan (X/-R) = theta. Which gives a negative angle. If you add 180 to this you get Alek's >90 angle phenomena. Both of which graph the same sine wave.

[TinselKoala]

I'd like to see uQEG to have 90 degrees phase shift while on load   (without phase shifting loopstick measure thingy) 
Or with a shorted out closely coupled secondary coil.

And of course you will allow me complete freedom to choose whatever frequencies I want, right? So my control test doesn't have to be at the same frequency as my "experimental" test, does it.

Think about that one for a while, friends.

[TinselKoala]

@G4RR3ττ

Heh.... sharp eyes indeed!

The oscilloscope is a Link DSO2100M, 2-ch 100 MHz scope, generously donated to the lab. It was manufactured in 1997 and uses a bidirectional parallel port interface! And the only computer I have left operational with an actual parallel port is the venerable IBM ThinkPad 600e that I got in 1998 or so when I was at the Miles Davis Anomalous Jazz Propulsion Laboratory in SF CA USA. A perfect match! The 600e works perfectly with the Link and takes up not too much space in the clutter. It is a small hassle to transfer scope image and data dump files as there is no onboard ethernet and of course no radio, but fortunately it has bleeding edge tech: a single USB port!
I've been thinking seriously about upgrading the OS to Win98SE. Just in case I want audio with MineSweeper or something.

All my real boxen are Linuxes.

[TinselKoala]

I attached the spec sheet for the current sensor Alek is using a while back, and it is a Hall-effect based system said to be linear within its range, output voltage proportional to sensed current and supply voltage, with a 3 microsecond response time. At 3200 Hz, the period is 312.5 microseconds, so 3 microseconds delay is almost 3 and a half degrees of phase shift. If I did the math right. This would result in a phase lag for the measurement, and I don't know if Alek's scope can compensate for that much "probe skew".

As I believe I showed in the QEG thread, measurement of phase is tricky and accounting must be made of all the intervening stages of the measurement apparatus that introduce their own phase shifts, and the higher in frequency the more important the factors Garrett mentions become. Even in my scopeshot above, I am determining phase by manually positioning the cursors at the zero-crossings of the waveform and computing from the scope's reported times for those events. The greater-than-90 degrees may well be a measurement artifact, although I am confident that the true phase angle is very close to 90 degrees.

While magnetic cooling is a known process, used for example to cool stuff to the lowest temperature range possible, I severely doubt that it could be happening in Alek's apparatus for all the reasons that have been given before. But furthermore is the "evidence" offered. The IR thermometer reading of different places on the transformer, taking a spot reading in random conditions with a non-contact uncalibrated instrument and then citing a fraction of a degree temperature difference as data.... excuse me, I wouldn't accept that in a high-school physics paper much less an overunity claimant. I realize that the setting was informal. Fine, so present the formally collected time-temperature data taken in controlled conditions in a nice spreadsheet-generated graph. It would take perhaps an entire day of one person's attention to gather and collate such a data set, and good data on such a device and process would be invaluable for a number of reasons. Why have we not seen such a presentation of solid data supporting the cooling claim? I know why.

[Acca]

My response to Les Banki 
Thanks for the following  post as you are right Overunity dot com is infiltrated with self appointed paid "shills" to kill any idea that has a any potential of any fruition, there is NO DEBATE at all !! It's just cut and gut the whole idea... How does one get 10,000 posts like TinselKoala or Milehigh 2900 in a short time ??
Simple that is "Their Job" 8 hours a day.. These "Shills" are the real enemy of "FREE Energy" like TinselKoala, Milehigh, MarkE.. these are the biggest negative influence here !!

Acca..
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Quote from Les Banki to   "MarkE" forum TROLL !!

"You may have fooled a few readers on this forum in the past with LOTS of empty words in your 2885 posts but I (for one) know who you are and what you are trying to achieve...

You are NOT very good at it.... (are you still getting paid???)

If you want to follow the "advise" of a full time, PROFESSIONAL SABOTEUR, good luck to you but don't say I didn't warn you!!

Just go back to the start of this thread and look WHO was the first to respond to Stefan's opening post!?


THAT can't possibly be allowed to happen by the self-appointed CRIMINAL ruling elite controlling mankind from day one!

PROFESSIONAL SABOTEURS on most Forums is one.
Their role is to first gain the confidence of the readers by giving the impression that they are "experts" on the subject and want to help.
Those who are stupid enough to follow their "technical" advice will FAIL, get frustrated and in the end will conclude that everything is a fake and GIVE UP! 
Mission accomplished..

STOP arguing and theorizing!
Get your hands dirty instead and you might get your FREE ENERGY!

Cheers,
Les Banki"


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MileHigh said:

"I watched the whole clip.  The next step would be for someone independent to test the same setup.  The clip is too long and would require too much effort for me to check all the connections and scope settings, etc."

TinselKoala said:

"I see that in the video, Alek assumes that his load is completely resistive and produces no phase shift and that the rms values read from the meters can simply be directly multiplied to get the real output power. This is not true."

"What Alek showed is a great demonstration of measurement error and misdirection, nothing more."

"I have never seen any instrumental data that supports this claim."
"I will happily wager all that I own, or a hundred dollar donation to a no-kill animal shelter, that this claim is untrue."
"it's just another claim without support that turns out to be false when properly tested. "
"I do not trust Sterling's ability to discriminate a three degree phase shift on a portable digital oscilloscope, sorry."
" There has been no evidence presented in support of this radical claim"
"the reason I put forth challenges like this is because I _know_ you won't accept them. Your own belief in the reality of Alek's claims is actually not that strong."
"failure to show null tests that establish the accuracy of his measurements, particularly phase-shift."

Milehigh said:

Supporting his troll brother:

"Dead on Mark like usual.  I am surprised that I actually watched a clip that long.  I have lost a lot of the vigor to get into it these days so your comments are welcome.  If you want to be cynical, this was just a rehearsed pitch to a willing audience so he pulled it off quite well.  I was too lazy to see how much difference the variance in the phase angle would cause to the number crunching."



Some one is pissed at the resident "Shill Trolls" !!

Steeltpu said:

"trolls seen squiming in their chairs and overheard saying: there is always some little detail we can find to turn a mole hill into a mountain.   if not we'll make something up that sounds believable."

Sill

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