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The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

Started by syairchairun, November 09, 2014, 09:05:00 AM

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T-1000

Quote from: MileHigh on December 24, 2014, 10:56:57 AM
As a general statement, if you are on this website and you are an experimenter that is doing research into free energy using magnets and electronic circuits, then you should already understand how and why a magnet can produce a magnetic field for thousands or millions of years.  The reason for this has nothing to do with free energy and it is nothing special.
That is same mistake as it was when first conventional mechanical generator was ever created.
In fact I do not see single experiment of yours in this thread and the flooding of the forum with your posts are derailing topic. The unknowns in common knowledge was exposed in first Syrain's post and was ignored.. Typical.

MileHigh

Quote from: T-1000 on December 24, 2014, 10:52:54 AM
The magnet and coil can be stationary for inducing current. As long the magnetic field gets weakened or strengthened in coil the Faraday law is followed. This can be done by changing magnetic flux resistance in core between magnet and coil or redirecting magnetic flux path to another magnet instead of coil. With proper design it is easy.
Then same magnet can energize coil then the induced electric current creates electromagnetic field which should be coupled between magnet and coil only and won't interfere with force changing magnetic flux path/resistance when proper geometry is applied in design.

Not sure if you get that but it is easy as soon experiments are done with designs mentioned in beginning of this thread and in http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2678.msg43489#msg43489

Yes, but what you are saying is still nothing special, and the magnet is still not a power source.  An external power source has to move a piece of ferrite in the core to change the flux going through the coil.

You must understand:  I move a magnet with an external power source to make changing flux.  I move a ferrite core with an external power source to make changing flux.  It's essentially the same thing.  There is nothing special there.  This is an illusion that some of you are working on right now.

I move a magnet, or I move a ferrite core to make it look like I am moving a magnet - it's essentially the same thing.  If you open your mind and open your eyes you should see this.

QuoteThen same magnet can energize coil then the induced electric current creates electromagnetic field which should be coupled between magnet and coil only and won't interfere with force changing magnetic flux path/resistance when proper geometry is applied in design.

This is the fantasy part that some of you want to believe.  There is no "proper geometry" - no matter what if you want to output power from the coil, then you have to do mechanical work to output the power.

Go ahead an build something if you want.  I think that Lumen and Gotoluc are doing that right now.   You still will have to supply mechanical power if you want to output electrical power from the coil.

All that you have to do is carefully look at the design and find the basic function "hiding" inside of the design:  I have to supply mechanical work to get electrical work out from the coil.

If Lumen abd Gotoluc do good builds and make proper measurements and avoid leading themselves down a garden path, that is what they will find.

In many ways this is a "failure of the imagination."   You just have to look at the design carefully and you will see that it is nothing more than an ordinary generator.  No matter how much you think you are "tricking" the flux manipulation, in reality you are just tricking yourself.

Generate electricity by changing the flux through a coil:

1.  Move the magnet past the coil.
2.  Move the coil past the magnet.
3.  Move the ferrite core between the magnet and the coil.
4.  Use a fancy "flux redirector system" based on a moving laminated transformer core.

The items above are all the same.  You just have to open your eyes and your mind to see this.

T-1000

Quote from: MileHigh on December 24, 2014, 11:16:56 AM
I move a magnet, or I move a ferrite core to make it look like I am moving a magnet - it's essentially the same thing.  If you open your mind and open your eyes you should see this.

In this thread the magnet and the coil are stationary!
The piece of material between is deviating magnetic flux strength between them.

MileHigh

Quote from: T-1000 on December 24, 2014, 11:05:20 AM
That is same mistake as it was when first conventional mechanical generator was ever created.
In fact I do not see single experiment of yours in this thread and the flooding of the forum with your posts are derailing topic. The unknowns in common knowledge was exposed in first Syrain's post and was ignored.. Typical.

Bullshit.  We are having a debate and it is on topic.  Also don't give me this foolishness about "flooding the forum."  "You are writing too much" is just nonsense on your part.

Don't give me this crap about "you don't do experiments either."   You are fully aware that I have some knowledge about the types of things we are discussing on this forum.  I have done hundreds of experiments.

I would be more than happy to discuss and debate things with you.  But don't give me this crap were you say, "you are flooding the forum" or "you don't do experiments."

T-1000

Quote from: MileHigh on December 24, 2014, 11:25:30 AM
Bullshit.  We are having a debate and it is on topic.  Also don't give me this foolishness about "flooding the forum."  "You are writing too much" is just nonsense on your part.

Don't give me this crap about "you don't do experiments either."   You are fully aware that I have some knowledge about the types of things we are discussing on this forum.  I have done hundreds of experiments.

I would be more than happy to discuss and debate things with you.  But don't give me this crap were you say, "you are flooding the forum" or "you don't do experiments."
Then show at least one experiment where coil and N-S magnets are stationary and the iron core is moving from the side and passing those magnets like in Syrain's design.