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The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

Started by syairchairun, November 09, 2014, 09:05:00 AM

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gotoluc

Very interesting and simpler design lumen ;)

Thank you for sharing.

Just a few questions, why does the coil have bump?
also, is the rotor open at the bottom?... U shape?

Luc

lumen

Luc,
The coil is from a solenoid and the bump is where the wires are connected.
It's not a good position but should be ok.
I left the rotor open or "C" shape because the wires need to connect in a simple manner for now.
A closed rotor would be more effective and there are many ways to achieve this concept but I need to test the entire concept to see if this line of thinking goes anywhere.
Also, the polarity of the magnet is with the poles facing into the two core sections. One core N the other core S.
This causes the rotor to flip the field direction through the coil for AC output. 1800RPM for 60HZ

Just..Sayin..

Quote from: lumen on December 19, 2014, 01:18:47 PM
This arrangement should prevent Lenz in the coil from affecting the rotor if that is possible.
The key factors are:
1: No movement between coil and magnet.
2: The field propagates outward as the rotor approaches the core and propagates into the core as the rotor moves away.
The idea is that Lenz will work to contain the field within the core as the magnet tries to push it outward into the rotor.
With Lenz working against the magnet not against the rotor.
When the rotor is moving away, Lenz will push back against the collapsing field and prevent pulling back on the rotor.
The total pull back on the rotor to the core can only be the same as the pull into the core as the field would be the same magnitude minus some losses from other events.

This is only a concept until proven to work anything like described.

Lumen, I hope you have something with your design, however, I can offer from my own experiments many years ago where I placed coils on the permanent magnets themselves, and spun iron segments past them, the back emf was still there and showed up on the input to the rotor. I also experimented with permanent magnets wound with output coils on both the rotor and on the stator. I was very confident at the time that the back emf in the stator coils would be cancelled by the back emf in the rotor coils,  but it was not. Very efficient induction but no cigar. It was a novel induction method without any core hysteresis. Magnets will switch polarities without heating up when employing them for both the rotor and the stator. They can also be employed to efficiently achieve induction at very high frequencies. Just picture permanent magnets wound with induction coils as the stator, and permanent magnets wound with induction coils, employed as the rotor segments. No iron at all in the generator.

I do believe what they have been doing in Indonesia does work... I have my doubts if there is a better way than what Syair has shown

EDIT... As an after thought, perhaps stationary magnets with induction coils in the outer stator as well as magnets wound with induction coils on the inner core, with iron segments passing in between.....something to chew on for awhile....

MileHigh

Why don't you guys try to analyse how it works by making a timing diagram for the device.  You could also make drawings for the flux flow for each stage of the rotation.

gotoluc

Quote from: MileHigh on December 19, 2014, 06:42:59 PM
Why don't you guys try to analyse how it works by making a timing diagram for the device.  You could also make drawings for the flux flow for each stage of the rotation.

I believe there is a flux flow at the end of this video I shared yesterday.

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/4385356