Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues

[lumen]

this is a quick test on the scissor thing it does work this is not even worked out properly knocked it up in 15 min but thanks for the feedback it helps and also after making this model I made a discovery even at the 3 o'clock position it will extend out to the full when let go with quit a bit of force.
and if you look at the movement the heavy weight only moves a few inches where the small end moves 6 or 7


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Dom444,

Not bad for a quick build.
The question remains, does the balance change from the pivot point and which direction?

[dom444]

wont know that till i do the experiment but instinct tells me it will probably work if i build it properly balanced, and i need to test on one plank two oposing assemblies its the sum weight on each side from the axle that's important, i am thinking the larger weight being closer to the center axle even though it is heavy and displaced would have less gravitational influence than the end weight.
What also makes me think i am on the right track is Besslers wheel had 4LB weights on the end of the wheel not a very big weight for a 12ft wheel.
But would be consistent with this kind of arrangement.

[dom444]

I made a new discovery today which kind of hit me I may or may not be right APOLOGIA  POETIC  XLVI is referring to
MT 138 all the elements of the verse appear to be in there which is the pic i posted beginning of this post.
if so it gives a description of the movement of his wheel.
it has the flail (or peg),fresher B,anvil,the scholar i believe is the character on the right of C, the runners are there, the children with clubs D are  there ,the crab is the child's toy going to and fro, plump horses are the weights, A driver drives is the characters, The buyer buys are who he is selling to,the seer sees is himself seer is enlightened one the cat is D upside down with the tail hanging down, sulfur was melted and used like a glue for wood at the time, mercury was  used for tempering steel,  he is referencing this picture and there is more which i need to work  out and some i wont comment on, worth a look at.


Verse XLVI:

Those who are keen to ask questions should ask them of this little book.
Should anyone wish to speculate about the truth, let him just ponder on the rich pageantry of words which I now cause to shower down upon him!

For greed is an evil plant.
An anvil receives many blows.
A driver drives.
A runner runs.
The seer sees.
The buyer buys.
The rain drips down.
Snow falls.
The shotgun shoots.
The bow twangs.
A great fat herd of fat, lazy, plump horses wanders aimlessly.
The flail would rather be with the thresher than with the scholar.
Children play with heavy clubs among the broken columns.
Acrobats and shadow-boxers are as fleet and nimble as the wind.
The cunning cat slinks silently along and snatches nice juicy mice.
The dog creeps out of his kennel just as far as his chain will stretch.
He knows how to please by playing with his little toys and knick-knacks.
He wags his tail, creeps through the hoop and is rewarded with pats on his paws by the stiff fops who watch him.
A wheel appears on the scene – is it really a wheel, for it does not have the normal type of rim.
It revolves, but without other wheels inside or outside, and without weights, wind, or springs.
Seen sideways or full-face it is as resplendent as a peacock's tail.
It turns to the right and to the left; it spins around in any possible direction, whether laden or empty.

All things belong to one of the three kingdoms (animal, vegetable, matter) and -
You have the physical evidence in front of you.
Without such things as sulphur, salt and mercury all things will soon come to a standstill –
The qualities of the elements are necessary to keep things going.
Saturn, Mars and Jupiter are ready to join in any battle.
Even the things we eat do not lose their elemental influence – for it spreads itself through every limb and sinew of our bodies.
A crab crawls from side to side. It is sound for it is designed thus.

Johann Bessler, Apologia Poetica (Kassel: self published, 1716-1717), verse XLVI, as translated and reproduced in John Collins, Poetica Apologia by Johann Bessler (pseud. Orffyreus) Edited and Published by John Collins (Leamington Spar: Permo Publications, 2004), p. 295 and 296

[dutchy1966]

Hi Dom444,


I will have a look at your finding. Maybe it gives us some more information.


Regarding the gravity peg you mentioned, I'm not sure why you would need it at the 6 o'clock position.
As far as I can tell the scissors should stay collapsed anyway.
What might be needed is a system that prevents the scissors from starting to collapse between 3 and 6 o'clock and stopping it starting to expand between 9 and 12 o'clock.
Maybe a quarter circle guiding rail for the heavy weight can accomplish that. The heavy weight should be some kind of wheel that can run against the rail until it is time to expand or collapse... ( 6 and 12 o'clock precisely)


Hope you understand what I'm trying to say... :-)


Regards Dutchy

[dom444]

Thanks dutchy i would hold of for the moment  its the first wheel i showed that i think is correct but not how i placed them with this new information i have just found if i am right he is cunning on how he presents it but still a few gaps that need to be worked out you have to put your mind to the 1700 and use there terminology for the time not easy to understand how they would think, But I do think he was spring loading the weights to shoot out that's his real secret and the extra motive force, as well as  from and the way the weights are arranged it is all in that picture look carefully, they would fire at the right moment.