Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues

[dom444]

Here is an up date for ya I swear I have never read so much sh**t about Bessler as what i have come across on some sites and no wonder no one has cracked it in 300 years, from sacred geometry to all sorts of other crap like he was moving it with his mind, I feel for the man everyone has hijacked  his invention for there own cause, I know what he was going through.
one site has 100 pages of so much rubbish i think you would forget your own name after reading it, here is a heads up for ya he had 5 sets of opposing mechanism 10 weights on the perimeter of the wheel not 8 there where 10 pegs each mechanism had 2 springs,  and when you look at it side on it did look like a peacocks tail, and they where set up in layers  one on top of the other, this much i know to be true believe it if you like or not, also forget looking at his drawings of perpetual motion machines they will just confuse you as he intended, he hated scientists and that was to bait them he hid it where you wouldn't look, and no i don't have the whole thing but am a fair way there, there are subtleties to the mechanism you can only work out by experimenting.

[dutchy1966]

Hi Dom,


Would be nice if you could supply some links to where the correct clues/information can be found...

I would like to read it aswell.


Thanks!


Dutchy

[dom444]

what i have found dutchy is that a lot of the sites want to make them selves to be the authority or the last word on Bessler they are the experts or so they think but there is a lot of disinformation and subtle omissions or errors that lead you astray, earlier in  this thread i said that I thought it was jack fires and not shotgun shoots that is a big difference which does not seam like much but puts things in a different context and changes how you view the text.

http://www.besslerwheel.com/writings/apologia.html

I have gone through many sites and compared many writings with some things i have found, and it is a bit like a detective story the pieces confirm each other
and you get a real picture of what was going on and you get a more complete picture.


http://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco/004873234.0001.000/1:4?rgn=div1;view=fulltext   

      this is not so much useful to work out the wheel but gives you a feel for the negative oppressive environment Bessler was going through which explain his state of mind his hatred of the scientific community  and why he behaved the way he did.





http://orffyre.tripod.com/id41.html              DIALOGUES AT THE CASTLE OF WEISSENSTEIN

there he describes the wheel so a child can understand most people dismiss it as ramblings of a mad man funny that when you have  a bit of inside information it makes sens, and Bessler had a habit of calling the parts children broken pillars etc shows he formed a relationship with his machine as well as being cryptic not to expose it, after all the years of working on it.

[norman6538]

dom444


Here is a design that I got out of "The Gentleman's Magazine"  1751 Shortly after Bessler's death and it was done by someone only known as Mr AB . Since we are dealing with scissor jacks and you have learned a bit of the dynamics of how they could be altered I figured I would show you another way.  The interesting thing about Mr AB is that his last initial is B just like Bessler and you need to find out what happened to Bessler's Brother.


Alan

The problem with the attached drawing is the CG of the mass, What I see is bottom heavy,
Just like many other ideas I have tried. And I think Alan's idea is the CG of the mass is bottom 
heavy. This could be easily tested with a one foot ruler with holes in it to shift the length
and weight. When I look for a working wheel it must have most of the mast to the right or the left of the axle. That can be done with a horizontal slot but the stopper comes when it has to be reset back where it was to the normal CG of the mass.
But I still believe in the Bessler wheel.
  As some of you know I have a permanent magnet addiction and I have OU rom permanent magnets but not  yet enough OU to make it self reciprocate.

Norman

[dom444]

well from what i know about bessler your on the money with that one Norman as a matter of fact it never cuts through the Axel at any point the mechanism's and weights  form a elliptical path around the axle as they move around it, and from what i can see the rim weights begin to lift at about
5 o'clock stay in that position held by the peg till reaches between 1 and 2 o'clock then the peg drops off, but here is the trick it could not happen if the springs did not play there part friction and centripetal force would not allow the peg to disengage, the rear counter weights throw it forward to the rim of the wheel with a thud which i expect is the imputes it picks up to continue rotating and gravity takes over.

Actually as i write this it just occurs to me i know where the extra force comes now, gravity creates an event going down the mechanism converts it to a equal and o posit  right angle force to the wheel adding to the rotation don't know if i explained it well but my head can visualize it.
But i still think that with out the pendulum to govern the speed Bessler's wheel would lock up and not keep going time plays an important roll when you are converting gravity.

Domenic