Vaccinations; recent developments

[Robert]

https://rafzen.wordpress.com/2014/12/29/flu-vaccine-contains-25000-times-more-mercury-than-is-legally-allowed-in-drinking-water/

Flu shots contain 25,000 times more mercury than allowed in drinking water.

[sarkeizen]

So another post without mention of my intellectual contest...hmmmmmmm.....does that mean you forfeit?

The reason that you believe I don't understand it is due to a language barrier.

No.  I think you don't understand because you're stupid.  Not to mention that I'm not convince there's much of a language barrier here except the one you affect.  Anyway you're off topic.  I was responding to what you LEARNED because that tends to mean you were wrong about something.  So far you haven't admitted being wrong about anything.  So I'm doubtful that someone like you learns anything.

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However the topic is: "Should we vaccinate".  All of your precautions don't stop the spread of most viruses and definitely provide no guarantee as to newer viruses. 

So you are telling me that I MOSTLY don't know LOL.

Yep.  You are just as ignorant, if not more than ordinary people when it comes to ID.

You are living in a bubble and believe that 80% of the USA population is educated regarding simplistic stuff.

No if SeaMonkey is correct and the vast majority trust (or are brainwashed into) trusting medical professionals.  Then, with regard to the question "should I get vaccinated" you are simply poorly informed.

you will see a lady coughing in her mouth

What does that look like exactly.

The only reason it does not make sense to you is because you believe that learning how it works from the bottom up is not important, when it is to me and should be to everyone else.

It depends on the question being asked.  If the question is: "Should I vaccinate?" or "Are vaccinations effective and safe?" then you are statistically unlikely to learn anything by first studying viruses at the sub-molecular level.

For example, when you get a "check engine" in your car, you WILL NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO. You will just pay a mechanic and hope he fixes it.

I'll usually do a cost-benefit analysis using Bayesian methods.  The probability of a check engine light going on, the likelihood of getting it fixed by a mechanic vs the opportunity cost of learning to do it myself.  If there's benefit I'll learn it if there isn't I'll use people who's time is less valuable than mine...like yours.   Interesting fact, over time my system is PROVABLY better than yours. 

It does relate to vaccinations because people should be informed what they are getting shoved in their bodies.

Again if the question is: "Should I vaccinate?" or "Are vaccinations safe and effective?" then again you would very likely be wasting someones time.

ok please find me the published ingredients in 15 measles vaccinations strains?

Vaccines don't contain strains.  So I can't comply - if you mean serotype then you should say so.  If you're too ignorant to know the difference you should say so.  However the monograph has all the ingredients of all vaccines.  Most you can find easily online.

The answer to that is not known yet because the vaccines only come via studying it's affects on animals

Nope.  Safety information comes from a variety of sources but generally controlled human studies, epidemiology and probability theory.

How would you be able to know what the vaccine HARMS over the long run if the animals in a lab do not live as long as a real human?

Animals are mostly used for toxicity studies.  What you describe here isn't about toxicity.  These are generally addressed by what I describe earlier.

Well that's your opinion.

It's yours too.  Otherwise you would support everyone voting on everything.  Which is both unfeasible and stupid.

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However these are irrelevant.  People do believe silly things but that doesn't stop them from believing correct things.

The flu virus spreads the same way

Wrongo.  The flu infects at an r0 of 1.2-1.6 - just barely enough to survive.  The r0 of measels is 18.  It's simple math - people will get infected even if you do things the joel-the-moron-way. We've seen this in many disease outbreaks.

From the year 200 to 208

I don't have data from 200 but in 180 there was an outbreak of possibly the measles or smallpox in the Roman empire which caused about 2000 deaths per day according to one historian.  Unless of course you meant 2000-2008.  In that case there were few cases in the US (the rest of the world wasn't so lucky) probably <1000 which means there were few deaths.  That was when there was a high degree of coverage in vaccination (most of that period for the US was above 90%)

What should be mandatory is fro little kids in schools be isolated

By people in hazmat gear?  As they walk down the hall and cough some of people who walk down the hall after them will get infected.

Yeah like that doctor that was told to wait for a few weeks before mingling with people because she was at high risk and she didn't! Yeah, instead of WISHFUL speaking, why don't you use your research.

So again, even highly trained professionals will risk their lives and others.  Making your plan, when compared to vaccination - stupid.

you are the stupid one believe in in that there is one vaccine that cures all strains of the viruses.

I actually didn't say that.  It wouldn't surprise me if Rhinoviruses or other RNA viruses never end up with a vaccine.  However again if the question is: "Should I vaccinate?" or "Are vaccines safe and effective?" then all evidence points to "yes".  What you propose is inferior both in terms of cost and outcome.

An as you an expert, do not understand that preventative measures are more important than curing measures.

Vaccines are preventative measures doofus.

and mingle with people and ask them things like: why they believe in vaccinations here in the USA. Ask them about the ORIGIN of the virus strains and how it enters the body. Ask them if there are any ill affects to the body of a human. Ask them what they are being injected with. Ask them how they make the vaccines in the first place? Go ahead and ask all of your educated people that live in your bubble. Lol 

All of those are not necessary to answering the question: "Should I be vaccinated?" and "Are vaccines safe and effective?"  Just helping you stay on topic.

Now you're outright ignoring my requests for a game.  Loser!

[sarkeizen]

Flu shots contain 25,000 times more mercury than allowed in drinking water.

So you a) You think that's correct and b) you think that's significant.   

Right?  Did you also get a C or lower in math?

See similarly the allowable amount of fluoride in water is about 1 ppm but the average amount found in toothpaste is about 1000x times that.  Why the discrepancy?  Allowable dosages are designed around various limits like the amount a human can ingest before harm.  Usually there is some wide safety margin like 100x lower than the lowest known dangerous chronic dose.

Clearly as water is used to wash, cook, drink and is a large part of virtually everything we ingest.  Hence to keep our overall dosage low it makes sense to keep the mean dosage low.  Vaccines in contrast represent a comparatively small part of what we take into our bodies every year.  So the amount in a vaccine is still harmless.

(Not even touching on the fact that a) It's a different kind of mercury b) only one vaccine contains that level of mercury c) There are studies showing higher dosages and no affect on cognitive function.

[joel321]

So another post without mention of my intellectual contest...hmmmmmmm.....does that mean you forfeit?

lol. You and your little games.

Here we go again with your dissecting my paragraphs like you dissect animals in  a lab. How many times do I have to tell you not to dissect my paragraphs to keep things in context you little dimwit.

Not to mention that I'm not convince there's much of a language barrier here except the one you affect.

I'm pretty sure you are living in a cave sir. You just like to ASSUME you know others peoples inner thoughts as if you are a fortune teller.

Time after time I keep on telling you that a lawyers language, even though they both speak native language, will not understand each other, hence language barrier. NOT in the native language ITSELF but in the language of defining the terms. How hard is that to understand?

So here I am trying to even teach you this simplistic side of things and you keep on denying it as if it is not true. Then you have the decency to call yourself "smart" and knowing a lot of things when you DON'T! You probably are familiar with medical terms and vaccinations but you don't know jack shit out of that.

I already mentioned that millions of dollars are lost by many businesses each year due to the lack being able to communicate with each other – get the MAIN point across.

You can say that I don't struggle in putting my English words on paper is not hard for me but I know it is...i edit a lot to try to put my point across. You sir are a dimwit if you believe that I don't struggle with the language barrier.

I'm sure you can understand the language barrier when you try to communicate with your girlfriend, they both speak different "languages" sort to speak while they both speak the same language. i.e. men are from mars, women are from Venus. You dumbo.

However the topic is: "Should we vaccinate".  All of your precautions don't stop the spread of most viruses and definitely provide no guarantee as to newer viruses. 

No shit. Nothing is 100% guaranteed. What we focus on is at least 80-90% positive results.

You little carrot top, vaccinations do not mean you will be cured from all viruses! A vaccine only tries to hep the immune system in the body regarding one strain.

Tell me if I get vaccinated from 25 different strains of the measles right now, how many other toxic things will I be injected with?

Now add that to flu virus vaccines that, if I get every year, how many toxic things will my body receive? Lets say I get vaccinated every year for 3 different flu virus strains , does not the toxic level of the additives of vaccinations add up? Now add up all the vaccination additives all together and tell me how many toxics have been injected in my body? Now tell me WITH OUT A DOUBT WITH STATISTICS ON PAPER, that there will not be long term affects? Tell how how that will not reduce my life expectancy 100%?

Use your brain!

You are just as ignorant, if not more than ordinary people when it comes to ID.

You are the ignorant one being blinded by BIG BROTHER. Ahem, corruption corrupts absolutely. IOW, it should be mandatory to explain to everyone what they are being injected with the same way as it is MANDATORY to label all food consumer products with a label as to what it is in the product. Is not like they will stop drinking sugary drinks! Or that they will stop eating fatty foods. If people where SOOO smart like you say, I would expect 80% of the USA people be very healthy. But the ignorance or the mental part of the craving does not allow them to think LOGICALLY you jack ass. Lol

Then, with regard to the question "should I get vaccinated" you are simply poorly informed

Do you take the flu shot every year?

How do you prevent an STD?

Why do you wash your hands?

Why do you wear a respiratory mask when you paint?

Why do we have hair, eye brows, eye lashes, ear wax, nose hairs, mucus, etc? Geee let me thing, PREVENTATIVE measures you ignorant little worm.

What does that look like exactly.

Trying to close mouth while coughing as to prevent the cough mostly. What does it look like...use your brain. Cheeks inflate and then they de-inflate (the opposite of inflate lol whats the word) to infect the person next to them.

What I would do is cough in my hand and then shake hands with you. that way I won't leave any evidence that I tried to get you sick on purpose.

Even if I coughed in your face and you get the flu virus, how will I get reprimanded?

It depends on the question being asked.  If the question is: "Should I vaccinate?" or "Are vaccinations effective and safe?" then you are statistically unlikely to learn anything by first studying viruses at the sub-molecular level.

Oh you are brain washed 100%. Get sick and ask questions later.

Actually learning about viruses in the sub-molecular level is way better than getting the vaccine BECAUSE the only people that get sick do not know how they work. They just act careless and vaccine influence their carelessness as to believe that they don't have to worry because a vaccine is their cure to their suffering.
Dude, the virus enters the body from the ground, sick animals, or by air for those unlucky having their mouth opened while a virus is in the air trying to find a hoax.

Do you have a shrine in your room where you offer objects to a needle as offerings as a thank you to your god?

I'll usually do a cost-benefit analysis using Bayesian methods.  The probability of a check engine light going on, the likelihood of getting it fixed by a mechanic vs the opportunity cost of learning to do it myself.  If there's benefit I'll learn it if there isn't I'll use people who's time is less valuable than mine...like yours. Interesting fact, over time my system is PROVABLY better than yours.

See how I didn't CHOPPED your paragraph. Lol, now explain to me the bold part? Do tell!

Again if the question is: "Should I vaccinate?" or "Are vaccinations safe and effective?" then again you would very likely be wasting someones time.

Your lack of looking at things from different angles is your Achilles heel.

Hmmm...how do you know that vaccinations do not cause long term crippling ailments? Remember when I told you that lab animals (where the vaccine is tested and produced) do not LIVE AS LONG AS HUMANS DO! So they can't not no the long term side effects if the lab rat dies before 100 years expectancy. IOW, no matter how RELIGIOUSLY you put the faith in the vaccine, you don't know jack shit the long term ill affects of a vaccine past the lab rats life expectancy!

Speaking of lab rats. Tell me you all mighty intelligent individual, on what type of animals do they test the flu virus on and what are the side negative side effects on said animal?

Bathe me in your INTELLIGENCE to rinse my ignorance "master". Lol

Vaccines don't contain strains.  So I can't comply - if you mean serotype then you should say so.  If you're too ignorant to know the difference you should say so.  However the monograph has all the ingredients of all vaccines.  Most you can find easily online.

oh scape goating much, can you say meeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhh!!!, goat?

Give me the link?

Safety information comes from a variety of sources but generally controlled human studies, epidemiology and probability theory.

Source?

Animals are mostly used for toxicity studies.  What you describe here isn't about toxicity.  These are generally addressed by what I describe earlier.

lol. This is what they do---let me inject this in here. Lets wait. It didn't die, well it must be safe for humans too.

I'm asking you specifit questions smart one.

On what animal do they test the measles virus first before they mass produce?

And how long is the animals healthy life expectancy?

The flu infects at an r0 of 1.2-1.6 - just barely enough to survive.  The r0 of measels is 18.  It's simple math - people will get infected even if you do things the joel-the-moron-way. We've seen this in many disease outbreaks.

You gusano, I was not referring in to the measles strain being more dangerous to people than the flu virus. I was merely saying that it spreads the same way as the flu virus does.

Sooo you are telling me if I have a measles virus sitting on my skin, it will dig itself in and contaminate my body? That's what you are saying right? The virus digs through my skin and infects people. Lol

I know that the measles virus is deadly and I also know that eating shit is can be deadly too. On nooooo I'm standing on the floor where there are billions of viruses in the ground. We have billions of viruses in our bodies right now. That's why we shower and we should not shower a lot because we have healthy viruses that protect us from such viruses.

I'm not speaking about what virus is more dangerous than the other, i'm speaking about how it ENTERS THE BODY IN THE FIRST PLACE!

By people in hazmat gear?  As they walk down the hall and cough some of people who walk down the hall after them will get infected.

OHH the measles virus is RADIO active...lol.

So again, even highly trained professionals will risk their lives and others.  Making your plan, when compared to vaccination – stupid.

The point was that you seem to believe that they got infected even though they were wearing a condom. You failed to realiced that the only reason they got infect is because of the "vaccine mentality" ...i don't need no stinking viruses when I have vaccines! Lol

I actually didn't say that.  It wouldn't surprise me if Rhinoviruses or other RNA viruses never end up with a vaccine.  However again if the question is: "Should I vaccinate?" or "Are vaccines safe and effective?" then all evidence points to "yes".  What you propose is inferior both in terms of cost and outcome.

Well that's the problem, you don't care what the negative ill affects due to human bodies as long as the virus is "controlled".

That shows your stupidity. It is better to teach how they get it in the first place and avoid all the toxic chemicals in the body too!

Vaccines are preventative measures doofus.

Understanding how the virus spreads is wayy better than vaccines doofus.

How do you get vaccinated from your stupidity?

I forgot you have ADD and OCD and probably CDC agoraphobia.

[sparks]

     There must be some malfunction of the cell hosting the virus in as much that the white blood cells are unable to identify the infected cell.   Cells must communicate somehow as to the state of their well being.   Once the cell membrane is breached and the virus is inside the castle walls so to speak why doesn't the cell signal it's being attacked?.   The virus must either dissolve the cell membrane or attach itself to the cell and inject it's genetic material or disguise itself as a nutrient.  But once in why doesn't the cell just kill itself or at least red tag itself.  The dissolution of the cell membrane must leave a scar.  Why isn't this scar perceived by the cop cells?  Does the attack on the cell membrane go unnoticed by the cell?  When we get cold tired and hungry does the cell loosen up on what it allows inside?  Do microbes offer up a trojan horse to the cell disguising themselves as energy laden proteins needed by the cell? 
    As far as vaccines are concerned I always understood that they worked well on bacteria.  The bacteria were killed and their carcass was injected.  Bacteria have a cell wall and the antigens were able to be made by the body and stored in the library for future use in case a live bacteria is encountered.  But there is such a small distinction between a live virus and a dead virus or a mutant virus I would think the job would be formidable.   If however you were able to have the war waged outside the victim where it couldnt spread it would be a good thing.   Like take a blood sample and culture it from time to time.  The virus infects the culture and the culture gets the cold.  Once the antigens are devloped for the diseased culture these are seperated and you take a shot of smart white blood cells.