Vaccinations; recent developments

[sarkeizen]

Below is a pdf that 'states' that the Cochrane reviews are considered by most experts to provide the gold standard of evidence based medical science.

What does "gold standard" mean?  Flawless?  Then I wouldn't agree with your statement which you claim is the consensus of experts.  A SR is, according to Sackett (who you haven't read either - Out of curiosity are do you have any plans to read anything that is actually science?) the highest level of evidence provided it has homogenity. Cochrane is but one group that produces SRs.   The reason I used the Cochrane SR is because it was provided by a link from safevax a site YOU have linked to indirectly - in that big list of studies which claimed supported vaccine harm.  I picked it at near random to demonstrate that the people who's interpretation you are relying on for your terribly stupid opinions do not appear to have read the studies in their list.

See, if you believe that it is not possible that the studies you 'follow' can be flawed

Of course they can.  However the LIKELIHOOD of many studies with a reasonably large N utilizing independent patients all being flawed in the same way with the same effect size is very low.

then you are as gullible as you claim all of us are. 

LOL.  Just to refresh your addled mind.  You claimed that a single poorly controlled case where someone has a two to three week proximity to an event, for a series of symptoms which has no clear diagnosis, by two doctors neither of whom are specialists propose a novel cause for WHICH THERE IS NO DIAGNOSTIC...and you think that's very, very likely to be true.

Here I am showing you evidence which works with thousands to hundreds of thousands of well-controlled cases and you can't accept it? 

I think it's obvious who is gullible here and it sure isn't me.

Given all that, do you still want me to read that PDF?

[sarkeizen]

Italian court rules mercury and aluminum in vaccines cause autism: US media continues total blackout of medical

Yawn.  I don't read Italian and unlike imbeciles like you I don't read sources written by people who if you cut off their head and replaced it with a plant it would not drastically affect their accuracy.  Here's a link to an Italian press article where some detail is given:http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.initiativecitoyenne.be%2Farticle-cas-d-autisme-pour-le-tribunal-de-rimini-c-est-la-faute-du-vaccin-104s129856.html&sandbox=1

So it appears that the main argument was based on Wakefield.  Seriously?  You think that an analysis of 12 patients by someone who was on the take is really the best source.  Not to mention that Wakefield is contradicted by the CDC whistleblower.  Yep.  If you want to believe the CDC Whistleblower / Hooker analysis you have to consider Wakefield to be wrong.  I explained why in an earlier post with a blow-by-blow on Wakefield's Lancet paper.  You never read that post nor did you read Wakefield's original paper.  How that makes your opinion something better than shit on this topic is something perhaps you can explain?

Not to mention even if we, for the moment move into your fantasy world where those two analyses don't contradict each other.  Why exactly would a court case ever trump research?

[sarkeizen]

If you want to vaccinate newborns, just remove the mercury and aluminum. Saving lives by crippling others is not a solution. Otherwise let's all just sit down and play Russian Roulette because that's what it is.

Studies have been done on early mercury exposure - at blood levels much higher than you would ever see through vaccination.  Do I need to tell you the results?  No correlation with IQ and other psycho-social factors (if you search through the history you'll find my link to it - but you won't because that would involve actual work).  The idea that mercury or aluminum have any impact on children in the quantities in vaccines has been refuted several times over.

The solution is so simple.

Yes it is.  It's getting people like you to actually crack a science textbook.

[wattsup]

Studies have been done on early mercury exposure - at blood levels much higher than you would ever see through vaccination.  Do I need to tell you the results?  No correlation with IQ and other psycho-social factors (if you search through the history you'll find my link to it - but you won't because that would involve actual work).  The idea that mercury or aluminum have any impact on children in the quantities in vaccines has been refuted several times over.Yes it is.  It's getting people like you to actually crack a science textbook.

Hahaha. I am a water treatment professional that deals with contaminants everyday.

Just go see what simple manganese in well water does to kids IQ and motor skills. Just by showering.

You think that big business vaccination money cares about kids. Maybe go to their next board meeting when they look at their bottom line. You think just because some doctors who are on the vaccine payroll get up and say it's safe, that it is really safe. Just go ask all those parents who have children in dire straights immediately after a vaccine and let me know how virtuous you will be after that.

Yes the answer is simple. Remove the mercury and aluminum. How much more simple can it be. Actually, their refusal to do so should be sending both alarms to all parents as well as alarms to all law enforcement agencies since this is tantamount to mass poison inoculation and you should be sounding it first as a "smart person" but we all know you will not. It's to tiring to get off your ass.

wattsup

[Magluvin]

Hahaha. I am a water treatment professional that deals with contaminants everyday.

Just go see what simple manganese in well water does to kids IQ and motor skills. Just by showering.

You think that big business vaccination money cares about kids. Maybe go to their next board meeting when they look at their bottom line. You think just because some doctors who are on the vaccine payroll get up and say it's safe, that it is really safe. Just go ask all those parents who have children in dire straights immediately after a vaccine and let me know how virtuous you will be after that.

Yes the answer is simple. Remove the mercury and aluminum. How much more simple can it be. Actually, their refusal to do so should be sending both alarms to all parents as well as alarms to all law enforcement agencies since this is tantamount to mass poison inoculation and you should be sounding it first as a "smart person" but we all know you will not. It's to tiring to get off your ass.

wattsup

Absolutely. Who are we to believe when scandals in gov are run amuck.

Mags