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Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!

Started by gotoluc, December 16, 2014, 07:22:08 PM

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synchro1

"Depending on the distance along the soft iron rod, the phase of the magnetic field of the fluctuation can be in leading or in lagging with respect to the magnetic field of the magnetic rotor".

The same principle applies to the air core. The "Lag or Lead" depends on the magnetic viscosity of the "Core Air".

fidi


just looking the on youtube ( not mine )


the motor is very simple maybe delayed lenz 100%

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94JetHjkipk )

MarkE

Quote from: synchro1 on December 19, 2014, 08:45:41 PM
Take a look at this video. "Lenz Delay Effect" is a result of magnetization in a core:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ5xnyj7xe4
The experiment shows that the magnetic field sensor sees field intensity versus left right position that goes to zero and then inverts polarity.  What that implies is that from the sensor's point of observation there are two sources 180 degrees out of phase along the length of the laminations.

There was no measurement of induced voltage anywhere.  Lenz' Law is a statement of the orientation of a current that results from Faraday induction.  The experiment fails to measure either induced voltage or current.


MarkE

Quote from: tinman on December 19, 2014, 08:47:20 PM
When something is delayed,that dosnt just mean how long it takes to get from one point to another. It can also mean we delay the time at which point the magnetic field in the generating coil is allowed to be produced. An open coil will not produce current,and thus no CEMF will be created-but a voltage still exist across that coil.If we delay the time a load is placed on the coil,we also delay the lenz force relative to that of the position of the rotor magnet. What has happened here is that you(and others) asume that it is the prpagation speed of the magnetic field that is said to be delayed,when in actual fact it can be the delay in time of an allowed current flow through the generating coil. This is nothing new,and i really do not understand as to how any one can say that a CEMF cannot be delayed relative to that of the inducing magnetic field. PM fields can be flipped or miss aligned to that of the CEMF produced from the generating coil. I want to see some one show !speed up under load) with an air core coil.
Placing some impedance up to and including infinite in series with a conductor does not delay or interrupt the induced voltage.  It impacts the current that results from that voltage. 

MileHigh

Quote from: tinman on December 19, 2014, 08:47:20 PM
When something is delayed,that dosnt just mean how long it takes to get from one point to another. It can also mean we delay the time at which point the magnetic field in the generating coil is allowed to be produced. An open coil will not produce current,and thus no CEMF will be created-but a voltage still exist across that coil.If we delay the time a load is placed on the coil,we also delay the lenz force relative to that of the position of the rotor magnet. What has happened here is that you(and others) asume that it is the prpagation speed of the magnetic field that is said to be delayed,when in actual fact it can be the delay in time of an allowed current flow through the generating coil. This is nothing new,and i really do not understand as to how any one can say that a CEMF cannot be delayed relative to that of the inducing magnetic field. PM fields can be flipped or miss aligned to that of the CEMF produced from the generating coil. I want to see some one show !speed up under load) with an air core coil.

I am not sure what mechanism you are proposing to delay the placing of the load on the coil.  It almost sounds like you are talking about adding a switch where you control the timing of the switch.  I am not sure what you mean by CEMF relative to your proposition.  If you want to document what you are discussing in more detail then I may be able to comment on it.