Advanced and Delayed magnetic field's.

[NoBull]

So how is it that this changing magnetic field appears in the secondary before it dose in the primary?

It is not a time machine. The primary is delayed in respect to the secondary, not the other way.

Your system has tiny air gaps which represent huge reluctances to the flux (R₄ and R₅).
It is not surprising that magnetic flux through R₈ is only several percent of the flux through R₃ when the proportionality of these reluctances is considered. 

When the coils are loaded then R₃ and R₈ are converted into delayed MMF sources.
The coupling factor between these coils is very low.

The delays between coils wound over R₃ and R₈ are easily accountable, too, by the different resistances/loads and inductances of the coils.

The larger the coil's resistance, the shorter the net flux change delay*.  This is because a larger resistance dissipates the induced current quicker in the same inductance.  It is this induced current that is responsible for creating the opposing flux, so when this current dies down - so does the opposition.
Superconductors have no resistance so the induced current in them never dies down and the opposition to flux changes persists forever, thus the delay to the external flux change never ends and the net flux through a shorted zero-resistance coil never changes (is constant).

These delays are the basis of operation of the shaded pole motors which cause a flux change delay by a shorted coil in the stator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyEnwJ1Lazg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaded-pole_motor

In this experiment the phase difference is only several degrees, but the principle is the same.
Nothing new.


*More precisely it is about the L/R ratio.

[MarkE]

Here is the drag test TK requested,and also the difference between the darg of steel laminated cores and ferrite cores.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtB_7RkEg

Nice experiment.

[tinman]

It is not a time machine. The primary is delayed in respect to the secondary, not the other way.

Your system has tiny air gaps which represent huge reluctances to the flux (R₄ and R₅).
It is not surprising that magnetic flux through R₈ is only several percent of the flux through R₃ when the proportionality of these reluctances is considered. 

When the coils are loaded then R₃ and R₈ are converted into delayed MMF sources.
The coupling factor between these coils is very low.

The delays between coils wound over R₃ and R₈ are easily accountable, too, by the different resistances/loads and inductances of the coils.

The larger the coil's resistance, the shorter the net flux change delay*.  This is because a larger resistance dissipates the induced current quicker in the same inductance.  It is this induced current that is responsible for creating the opposing flux, so when this current dies down - so does the opposition.
Superconductors have no resistance so the induced current in them never dies down and the opposition to flux changes persists forever, thus the delay to the external flux change never ends and the net flux through a shorted zero-resistance coil never changes (is constant).

These delays are the basis of operation of the shaded pole motors which cause a flux change delay by a shorted coil in the stator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyEnwJ1Lazg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaded-pole_motor

In this experiment the phase difference is only several degrees, but the principle is the same.
Nothing new.


*More precisely it is about the L/R ratio.

The primary is not delayed in respect to the secondary.The primary remains stable regardless of load on the secondary. The scope is being triggered via a seperate coil(as can be seen in the video),and the primary's coil phase dose not change in respect to that of the trigger coil. It is the secondary that is being advanced in phase,and that advance increases as the resistance of the load increases. You will also see the white line's on the magnet's,and they are there so as i can use an LED strobe to also check the phase shift on the primary coil.Once again,there is no shift of the white line's position when using the strobe on the primary coil,regardless of load on the secondary.The secondary's current builds befor that of the primary,and the advanced phase shif is dependent on the resistive load placed on the seconary coil.

[MarkE]

The primary is not delayed in respect to the secondary.The primary remains stable regardless of load on the secondary. The scope is being triggered via a seperate coil(as can be seen in the video),and the primary's coil phase dose not change in respect to that of the trigger coil. It is the secondary that is being advanced in phase,and that advance increases as the resistance of the load increases. You will also see the white line's on the magnet's,and they are there so as i can use an LED strobe to also check the phase shift on the primary coil.Once again,there is no shift of the white line's position when using the strobe on the primary coil,regardless of load on the secondary.The secondary's current builds befor that of the primary,and the advanced phase shif is dependent on the resistive load placed on the seconary coil.

Tinman aif you have access to a circuit simulation program ( there are a number of free ones on the net ), then you can see that for a parallel L/R circuit driven by a current source, IE high impedance that where R is large compared to jwL the voltage is almost in phase with the current.  As the resistance gets gets small compared to jwL the voltage lags the current.  The key here is as nobull has stated:  The weak coupling between the two coils.  That drives the impedance, the amplitude loss, and the observed phase lead when the second coil is lightly loaded.

[ramset]

Simulators..


I think the problem here goes all the way back to the
"Problem here"


semantics ... we have grown to use certain phrases [Lenz delay}" to explain certain paths for experiment ...and certain persons know this but it drives them Nuts [like most of what we do here]


so they spend a zillion hours and a squillion words "teaching"...when perhaps it should just go back to magic...
when it comes to what we are trying to do ..
beat Lentz
Beat friction
Beat Gravity
beat "known Laws of magnetism"
Beat Bouyancy
etc etc etc


welcome to Overunity.com ...this is what we do here
and we don't expect simulators to be of much use...
experiments "yes"
simulations ..not so much ...here perhaps we will add to the knowledge base of the simulator
maybe not today ...
?


is that arrogance??
No
Its Human nature..we were born this way.........




thx
Chet