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[synchro1]

Color temperature does not determine luminance, nor does it determine output power.  Color temperature relates the approximate appearance of a light source to the temperature of a black body radiator.He does not put a bulb in front of a light meter, so that is no comparison.  3W at 80.55lumens/W is 241.65 lumens.  How you calculated 2810 lumens from the figures you supplied I do not know.There are no measurements that back your OU claims for his circuit.

@MarkE,

You have to be off your rocker to think Woopyjump's 35 watt LED is shining at only 261 Lumens. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. I own a Lux meter and measured bulb intensity many times. Anyone who has made these kinds of test measurements can see how utterly blind you are. You are way far off. Stop trying to act smart! 261 Lumens is the power of a night light. Wise up man.

"A lumen is a unit of measurement that describes how much light is contained in a space or the brightness of a light source."  A 26 Watt 2700K CFL will be a warm tone and put out up to 1800 lumens, just as the 26 Watt 5000K CFL will product the same amount of lumens at up to 1800 with a daylight color".

"A 26 watt CFL will output 1800 Lumens". You couldn't find a way to sound any stupider! You're off the hook man. Find something constructive to do!


35 watts is around 2800 Lumans bub! Thats over ten times where you have the intensity placed. You really piss me off acting like a know it all when you're really dumber then pigshit! Why don't you just shut up.

[orbut 3000]

Even better: place two identical lamps in the frame, one powered conventional, the other powered by whatever you think is better. Compare.
LEDs are evolving pretty fast. I bought a 7w / 345lm /2700K this week (8€) and it is a perfect replacement for a 50w halogen bulb. It looks like single chip but I'm not sure.

[MarkE]

@MarkE,

You have to be off your rocker to think Woopyjump's 35 watt LED is shining at only 261 Lumens. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. I own a Lux meter and measured bulb intensity many times. Anyone who has made these kinds of test measurements can see how utterly blind you are. You are way far off. Stop trying to act smart! 261 Lumens is the power of a night light. Wise up man.

"A lumen is a unit of measurement that describes how much light is contained in a space or the brightness of a light source."  A 26 Watt 2700K CFL will be a warm tone and put out up to 1800 lumens, just as the 26 Watt 5000K CFL will product the same amount of lumens at up to 1800 with a daylight color".

"A 26 watt CFL will output 1800 Lumens". You couldn't find a way to sound any stupider! You're off the hook man. Find something constructive to do!

Dude you posted the power to the LED (3W) and the LED efficacy (80.55 l/W).  The 241 lumen value falls directly out from your numbers.  If you are unhappy with them, that is your problem.

Light meters measure luminous intensity: lux, not luminous power: lumens.    In order to get lumens accurately you need to scan and integrate intensity throughout the surface of a spherical projection surrounding the light source.

A typically night light is a little 7W incandescent bulb.  Here is are a couple of examples:  7W ~20 (frosted)- ~40 lumens (clear) each

https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/3514/IN-0007C7CL130X.html?utm_source=SmartFeedGoogleBase&utm_medium=Shopping&utm_term=IN-0007C7CL130X&utm_content=C7+-+Clear+Light+Bulbs&utm_campaign=SmartFeedGoogleBaseShopping&gclid=CLCDvNbi0cMCFZCIaQodj6gAPQ

https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/5446/IN-0007C7W.html?utm_source=SmartFeedGoogleBase&utm_medium=Shopping&utm_term=IN-0007C7W&utm_content=C7+-+Frosted+Light+Bulbs&utm_campaign=SmartFeedGoogleBaseShopping&gclid=CIWxuojj0cMCFQeKaQodkLkAQA

http://www.elightbulbs.com/Bulbrite-709105-5C7C-Night-Light-Bulb&source=GoogleBaseCSE?gclid=CI7MuKnj0cMCFY4AaQodAK8AXQ

The CFL spec you quoted:  1800l/26W is about 69l/w, not much less than the 80.55l/W efficacy of the LED you quoted.  Incandesent bulbs put out about 11l/W in the 25W range and 17l/W in the 100W range. 

[MarkE]

Even better: place two identical lamps in the frame, one powered conventional, the other powered by whatever you think is better. Compare.
LEDs are evolving pretty fast. I bought a 7w / 345lm /2700K this week (8€) and it is a perfect replacement for a 50w halogen bulb. It looks like single chip but I'm not sure.

345l/7W is very so-so.  It is only 50l/W.  State of the art for complete LED bulbs is over 100l/W.  There are raw LEDs pushing 200l/W.

[TinselKoala]

While all this sideline argumentation is very amusing... let's just cut to the chase, shall we?

None of the workers who have reported here or on OUR have shown measurements of EMJ-promoted circuits that approach anything like unity, much less OU or COP=1.7 or greater.

My own experiments with the specific Meyer circuit provided by EMJ (lighting _30 neons_ by the way, not limited to 20), and the simulations provided by Vortex1, show great high voltage spikes when the transistor is driven fully, and when underdriven show waveforms that are very similar to some I've seen from EMJ himself.  I've spent a lot of time today trying to get coherent measurements of output power in that circuit on the old Link DSO using the Schematic I have already posted showing _proper_ output measurement points, and it has been very difficult to do. The Link doesn't have the right math and is also responding to the HV in the measurement branch even though I am using proper probe reference points instead of those originally posted by EMJ on the Meyer schematic. Using the original point for the TP A HV output (probe referred to the 0 volt power supply rail) there is no difficulty, I see the same thing on the Link as I see on my analog scopes, of course. But this does not yield proper output power data.

I believe by now I have established sufficient "street cred" to ask for proper information in this matter. I have now built 3 different driver boards to drive the coils, plus using the F43 FG in ground-isolated mode. I've tested the EMJ-Meyer circuit extensively, driven by FG and by the 555 oscillator. I've drawn and revised schematics for my version of the circuit. I've shown the 3.5 kV spike amplitude when the transistor is properly driven and I've shown that this voltage is real, by lighting 30 neons in series and by actually experiencing shorting inside the coils themselves, along with ozone production. I've disturbed my dog and my housemate at all hours by the high whining that the circuit produces. Still, there is no indication of OU performance from this circuit that I have been able to measure. The transistor gets warm, even hot, when fully energized and driving neons and the 10R load... but the cement load resistor stays at room temperature. The transistor itself is thus dissipating far more power than the load actually is. There just isn't much power output to the load itself, although there certainly is some.

SO here is what I want.

I would like EMJ to post the _exact_ schematics, with part numbers and coil details, that were used to obtain the COP=1.7 or higher measurements. I would like to see the measurement points shown, I would like to know the details of the drive signal, and if possible I would like to see the scope traces produced by the testing that yielded the OU measurement. I can think of a few reasons why EMJ is not providing this information, none of them very charitable.

So please... PROVE ME WRONG, Chris, by providing the proper info so that I can proceed with my testing in some rational manner.  Or even talk to your friends whom you say have reproduced your system with OU results, and show the information I asked for above, for their replications.  Otherwise, we are all just spinning our wheels, digging further into the mud.