Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[Pirate88179]

Mark:

My last off-topic post, I promise......

Is your friend working on a commercial product?  If not, why not have him post over here on his own topic?  I would love to see what he is doing.  Of course, if he wants to keep his work to himself for business reasons, I get that.  I am just curious what type or kind of circuit he is using to do this.  I love light and if I can learn how to make more with less, I am interested.

Thanks,

Bill

[orbut 3000]

345l/7W is very so-so.  It is only 50l/W.  State of the art for complete LED bulbs is over 100l/W.  There are raw LEDs pushing 200l/W.

But the color temperature is spot-on. Sharp shadows. (light emitting area is .7cm in diameter) 
I have bought much worse LED lamps. 

[MarkE]

While all this sideline argumentation is very amusing... let's just cut to the chase, shall we?

None of the workers who have reported here or on OUR have shown measurements of EMJ-promoted circuits that approach anything like unity, much less OU or COP=1.7 or greater.

My own experiments with the specific Meyer circuit provided by EMJ (lighting _30 neons_ by the way, not limited to 20), and the simulations provided by Vortex1, show great high voltage spikes when the transistor is driven fully, and when underdriven show waveforms that are very similar to some I've seen from EMJ himself.  I've spent a lot of time today trying to get coherent measurements of output power in that circuit on the old Link DSO using the Schematic I have already posted showing _proper_ output measurement points, and it has been very difficult to do. The Link doesn't have the right math and is also responding to the HV in the measurement branch even though I am using proper probe reference points instead of those originally posted by EMJ on the Meyer schematic. Using the original point for the TP A HV output (probe referred to the 0 volt power supply rail) there is no difficulty, I see the same thing on the Link as I see on my analog scopes, of course. But this does not yield proper output power data.

I believe by now I have established sufficient "street cred" to ask for proper information in this matter. I have now built 3 different driver boards to drive the coils, plus using the F43 FG in ground-isolated mode. I've tested the EMJ-Meyer circuit extensively, driven by FG and by the 555 oscillator. I've drawn and revised schematics for my version of the circuit. I've shown the 3.5 kV spike amplitude when the transistor is properly driven and I've shown that this voltage is real, by lighting 30 neons in series and by actually experiencing shorting inside the coils themselves, along with ozone production. I've disturbed my dog and my housemate at all hours by the high whining that the circuit produces. Still, there is no indication of OU performance from this circuit that I have been able to measure. The transistor gets warm, even hot, when fully energized and driving neons and the 10R load... but the cement load resistor stays at room temperature. The transistor itself is thus dissipating far more power than the load actually is. There just isn't much power output to the load itself, although there certainly is some.

SO here is what I want.

I would like EMJ to post the _exact_ schematics, with part numbers and coil details, that were used to obtain the COP=1.7 or higher measurements. I would like to see the measurement points shown, I would like to know the details of the drive signal, and if possible I would like to see the scope traces produced by the testing that yielded the OU measurement. I can think of a few reasons why EMJ is not providing this information, none of them very charitable.

So please... PROVE ME WRONG, Chris, by providing the proper info so that I can proceed with my testing in some rational manner.  Or even talk to your friends whom you say have reproduced your system with OU results, and show the information I asked for above, for their replications.  Otherwise, we are all just spinning our wheels, digging further into the mud.

Due to quantizing limitations, digital scopes have a hard time measuring things that have huge crest factors as your waveforms exhibit.  With an 8 bit A/D, 6.7V isn't even one LSB to a 4kV peak value.  The voltage that you want to see which will be about 4X smaller is across the output branch.  That difference voltage will resemble the collector voltage on your switching transistor.  As long as there is lots of parasitic capacitance around and/or leakage paths like the neon lights, very little power will make its way through the high inductance of the cement resistor.

Good luck getting pertinent informtion from EMJ.

[MarkE]

Mark:

My last off-topic post, I promise......

Is your friend working on a commercial product?  If not, why not have him post over here on his own topic?  I would love to see what he is doing.  Of course, if he wants to keep his work to himself for business reasons, I get that.  I am just curious what type or kind of circuit he is using to do this.  I love light and if I can learn how to make more with less, I am interested.

Thanks,

Bill

Yes he is under contract, including NDA.  I imagine that it won't be that much longer before product hits the street. 

[MarkE]

But the color temperature is spot-on. Sharp shadows. (light emitting area is .7cm in diameter) 
I have bought much worse LED lamps.

If you are happy with the lamp, particularly the color rendition then life is good.  Me, I am no fan of a bunch of LEDs particularly from one big supplier that is near the top of the efficiency mountain.  I see blue halos around those lamps that I find very annoying.