Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[EMJunkie]

Some times you just go unconventional,and things just come together.

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   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

[Dog-One]

This now shows us the time difference between the magnetic flux passing through the outer and inner secondary<-- we get to see the time it takes the magnetic field  to reach the inner secondary. This also shows us that the field dose not appear throughout the core instantly.

And...

If you think about velocity, there is no possible way the flux could remain in-phase from inner radius to outer radius UNLESS there is a speed differential.  Obviously not true in a straight rod core, but with a toroid, nature must adjust to the change in geometry.  So lets think about this coaxial core geometry a minute...

The outer edge of the outer core must have the highest velocity; the inner edge of the outer core (near the center) must have the lowest velocity.  Hmmm, large disparity in velocity between those two reference points.  One must consider some sort of cancellation or swirling of the flux to mitigate this disparity in flux velocity.  But what about the inner core?  Same thing is happening, but to a lesser degree since the outer radius of the inner core is much more similar to the inner radius of the inner core--less swirling of the flux, meaning it is more perpendicular to the copper wire.  Hence, higher voltage induced.

It would be nice if we could see how the magnetic flux actually travels through a toroid core, but if the velocity must remain constant, I can assure you based on just the geometry alone, it doesn't take a basic orbital path.  It must circulate around the core as it travels through the core.

Just my two cents.

[EMJunkie]

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   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

[MileHigh]

Brad:

I still can't explain exactly why the HTT when unloaded shows higher voltage on the inner secondary than the voltage that you are driving the primary with.  I have been following this thread fairly well but not perfectly and I don't recall exactly where you recorded those measurements.  I do recall you driving the primary and comparing the voltages on the inner secondary and outer secondary but you did not record the excitation voltage on the primary.  Did I miss something?

However, we have a big clue from your inductance measurements.  You measured 3X the inductance on the inner secondary as compared to the primary.  We also assume that the inner secondary makes use of both cores to store energy, with flux independent in each core and in opposite directions.  Therefore one assumes that some form of cancellation is taking place when you measure the inductance of the primary alone.

This ties into what Poynt just said:

Let's do the reverse. Wind two coils on a standard toroid, but one has 4x the inductance of the other (similar to what your transformer exhibits). I think you can guess at the voltage ratio here.

Quoting you:

In order for the secondary to generate a flux that flows in opposite directions in the two core's,a current must first be flowing through that secondary. As we are measuring open coil voltages,there will be no current flowing through the secondary-and thus there will be no flux flowing in opposite directions in the two core's.

Yes when you are measuring open coil voltages there are no flux effects from current flowing in the secondary.  For what it's worth I wasn't mentioning both cases, current flow in the inner secondary vs. no current flow in the inner secondary.  I was just illustrating how far your HTT deviates from a standard toroid and therefore all bets are off with respect to turn ratios and expected voltages.

Then this brings us back to the inductance meter which was measuring an unloaded HTT and how the primary inductance measured lower than the inner secondary inductance.

These are all clues pointing towards the real solution to the question.   When you drive the primary and the HTT is unloaded it's simply acting like an inductor with a magnetic core.  It would appear that the double coaxial core with two independent magnetic circuits is complicating what is happening.

The only way for me to give you what would hopefully be a definitive answer would be to do the testing and analysis on a bench for myself.

MileHigh

[picowatt]

I have done this already PW,and showed this on one of the video's. If i keep increasing the frequency,i can get to a point where we can see the outer secondary starting to lead the inner secondary-this was a voltage only test-->no load on the secondaries. This now shows us the time difference between the magnetic flux passing through the outer and inner secondary<-- we get to see the time it takes the magnetic field  to reach the inner secondary. This also shows us that the field dose not appear throughout the core instantly.

Tinman,

Do you have a link?

Not sure I would agree with the conclusions you have drawn regarding phase shift and what it means.  There is an ever present L and C component.  I would not expect the inner and outer secondary to have the same SRF due to their measured differences. 

In the test method I proposed, the use of your scope's external trigger would allow you to see the phase relationship between both secondaries and the primary while doing the sweep.

PW