Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[MileHigh]

Take a look at this clip:

The Beauty of "Spin" - Vortexing Magnetic Fields & New Energy Tech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-MSiQTXIG0

If we take magnets north, north, north, and we continue this sequence and we wrap them around a ring, much like this for example, to where all of the norths are in and all of the souths are out. 

That creates a "vortex of magnetic flux lines" going in, to where the magnetic flux lines all come in, create pressure within themselves, self rotate and then then coming out into the south of the magnet.

That clip is full of stupid nonsensical idiocy.  I feel like smacking the guy.

At the end of the clip like some retard he makes a crude "motor" where his hand movements induce the magnet and ball bearing assembly to spin.

He deserves a good whack across the head with a high school physics book.

[tinman]

The Magnetic Field Due to a Toroid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCSHcftPAIM

If you have a toroid, what is the strength and direction of the magnetic field inside the toroid?

In the clip the author derives the formula for the magnetic field anywhere in the plane that bisects the toroid like when you slice it in half like a bagel.   See the attached picture for the formula.

What is the formula telling you?   It's telling you that the magnetic field strength is proportional to the number of turns of the toroid and the current flow through the wire and inversely proportional to the radial distance away from the geometric center of the toroid.

Do you see any velocity in that formula?  Do you see any waves?  Do you see any swirling?  Do you see any movement?  Do you see any circulation?

The answer is NO.  The formula is telling you what strength of magnetic field you will measure inside the toroid.  As the current flow though the wire increases the magnetic field inside the toroid will increase in strength everywhere simultaneously.  No velocity, no waves, no swirling, no movement, nothing like that at all.

If you believe in velocity, waves, swirling, or movement in the case of the magnetic field inside a toroid it's like you never learned anything about magnetic fields at all.  This stuff is just a variation of the magnetic field produced by a long straight current-carrying wire.  If you looked at that formula it would tell you the same story - the magnetic field produced by a long straight current-carrying wire will increase everywhere simultaneously if you increase the amount of current flowing through the long straight wire.

We are intentionally ignoring speed-of-light effects because you do not see any speed-of-light effects when you are analyzing these devices on your bench.  Bringing the speed of light into this discussion is inappropriate.

If you can't get these concepts and accept them and instead you believe in "high velocity swirling waves of flux" etc, etc, then  you will never be able to figure out how simple magnetic devices work because you will be bogged down in fantasy and superstition.

MH
Any chance you can sort out the size of your pictures,as the pages are now 3 screens wide.

[tinman]

I am ignoring your nonsensical discussion about velocity and waves when it comes to magnetic fields because that topic has been covered already.

To answer your question above, I believe that the outer secondary will produce about half the voltage as compared to the voltage that you are driving the "inner primary" with (a.k.a. the inner secondary.)  The outer secondary will react to the net flux it sees between the inner core and the outer core and we know that the flux in the two cores will be traveling in opposite directions.  Therefore if you measure an AC voltage on the outer secondary it means that more flux is flowing in one core than the other.   By looking at the phase of the waveform on the outer secondary you can determine which of the two cores has the greater amount of flux flowing through it.

I am doing nothing more than applying basic magnetic principles here.  Nothing is "flowing" at all.  "Flowing" is just a term we use to make it easier to describe what is going on.  It's just like using the terms "north" and "south" when describing magnetic fields when in reality there is no such thing as north and south magnetic fields.

A while back I stated that I has no reason to believe that the amount of flux flowing in the inner core and the outer core would be different if you drove the inner secondary with a voltage source.  But, as explained above, if you do measure an AC voltage on the outer secondary when driving the inner secondary with a voltage source, that is telling you that the amounts of flux flowing in the inner core and the outer core are different.  It could all likely be traced back to the average air gap between the inner secondary and the inner core vs. the average air gap between the inner secondary and the outer core.  The core with the smaller average air gap will have more flux flowing through it.

MH
Where do you keep coming up with this !air gap! thing?. There is no air gap between the inner and outer core-they are one. You do know that the core material was a pliable mix when i made the core,and that it dry hardened. The only gap between what you refer to the two cores,is the copper wire it self-there is no air gap.

Brad

[partzman]

Brad:

I am going to make a posting here to respond to your and other's misconceptions.  It's going to be an exercise in reality and fact checking.  This is for the benefit of yourself and other readers.

[snip]

Any notion of a "migrating" B field moving through a core is absolutely wrong.  For all practical intents and purposes, it does appear throughout the core simultaneously.  Again, it's just an inductor and for a constant voltage applied across the coil terminals, the B field will slowly ramp up just like it will do in an air core inductor.

[snip]

MileHigh

MH,

There are some very respected researchers who do not agree with your above statement regarding instantaneous flux flow.  I would invite you to read the attached paper which I already had posted before but obviously was ignored by most.

In section 4 of this paper you will find experimental results showing the diffusion of flux over several milliseconds into an iron core. This of course follows the surface flux propagating at C due to the H fields both forward and reflected.  Also notice in Fig 2 the H field wave front advancing at C between the magnetic core limbs has a magnitude of ~2x when the reflected H2 field meets in phase with the H1 field.  IMO, this may give a clue as to what is occurring in TM's transformer but the U core is simple to analyze compared to the toroid topology particularly with an embedded core and winding.

I do not believe that at this time there is enough experimental evidence to determine exactly what is occurring in TM's core arrangement. I do not mean to degrade TM's work or anyone elses regarding measurements and analysis, but I mean that I think special replications of TM's device will have to be made with certain targeted analysis goals in mind to test various ideas. This will take time, patience, and funds.

partzman

[tinman]

MH,

There are some very respected researchers who do not agree with your above statement regarding instantaneous flux flow.  I would invite you to read the attached paper which I already had posted before but obviously was ignored by most.

In section 4 of this paper you will find experimental results showing the diffusion of flux over several milliseconds into an iron core. This of course follows the surface flux propagating at C due to the H fields both forward and reflected.  Also notice in Fig 2 the H field wave front advancing at C between the magnetic core limbs has a magnitude of ~2x when the reflected H2 field meets in phase with the H1 field.  IMO, this may give a clue as to what is occurring in TM's transformer but the U core is simple to analyze compared to the toroid topology particularly with an embedded core and winding.

I do not believe that at this time there is enough experimental evidence to determine exactly what is occurring in TM's core arrangement. I do not mean to degrade TM's work or anyone elses regarding measurements and analysis, but I mean that I think special replications of TM's device will have to be made with certain targeted analysis goals in mind to test various ideas. This will take time, patience, and funds.

partzman

I believe there is one here that is milling the molds ATM.

Here is some information from test i carried out today,along with those recommended by PW.

I set the scope to EXT trigger,leading edge,and triggering at the 0 volt line.The trigger source was the primary coil.
With 1 leg from all three windings used as a common.
My sweep range was from 1KHz to 500KHz over 60 seconds.
These are open secondary test.

I first ran a sweep with channel A on the primary,and channel B on the outer secondary-No phase change or voltage difference noted throughout the sweep.

2-channel A still on the primary,and channel B now on the inner secondary.-From around 300KHz,a phase shift started to take place,where the inner secondary started to lag,but began to increase in voltage magnitude. Peak secondary voltage was reached around 360KHz on the secondary,and was around 13.6VRMS,while the primary  remained at around 1.6VRMS. At around 420KHz,the secondaries phase was in phase with the primary-so we had a 180* phase shift on the secondary.

3-The same results were had between the outer and inner secondary,only they started of in phase,and the inner secondary shifted out of phase to that of the outer secondary at the 420KHz mark. The VRMS results were same as test 2.

4- i then switched to the inner secondary to be used as the primary. As the two outer windings are now secondaries,and are exactly the same,only one test was needed to obtain the results for the two outer secondaries. So now with my SG  hooked to the inner winding,it is now our primary.The EXT trigger was omitted,and i triggered from channel 1-leading edge,0 volt line. Channel two was placed across one of the outer windings. As we seen a 180* phase shift between the outer primary and inner secondary during the sweep,i was expecting to see the same with the reverse situation. But that was not the case-->there was no phase shift at all throughout the sweep
So we get a 180* phase shift with outer primary and inner secondary,but get no phase shift between an inner primary and outer secondary. No equal and opposite reaction?

Extras
1-with a voltage of 1.64VRMS across the outer primary,we get 3.28VRMS on the inner secondary.
2-When using the inner coil as the  primary,with 3.28VRMS across it,we get 1.64VRMS across each !now! outer secondaries. BUT,in both cases,it is frequency dependant. The amplitude difference can be raised or lowered by raising or lowering the frequency-->this only applies between the inner and outer coils. The two outer coils-one as the primary,and one as the secondary always remain 180* out of phase,and always have the same amplitude.


Brad