Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[PIH123]

If you have only an AC component,then yes,as far as i know,AC coupling is what should be used. It allows you to zoom in so as you can messure small AC signals. But if there is any DC component to your signal or system,then DC coupling should be used.

Mostly true, except :
For an AC only signal, AC coupling COULD be used, but so too DC coupling COULD be used and would both give exactly the same readings.
BUT, what if there were ANY DC component for a combined AC riding on DC signal?
That is when DC coupling SHOULD be used.
So by default you SHOULD ALWAYS use DC coupling, unless you have a strong enough reason not too.
His doesn't have any reason (even a weak one).


Sadly, he already knows this.


Back on Page 7 reply 92.

I gave him a link to HIS OWN scopes user manual and the page number explaining how AC vs DC coupling works.
see below


He may have only recently figured this out after 16 years of wasted research and is now kicking himself.
(obviously, I only say wasted, because 16 years of research with good measurement techniques can be valuable, even if the results are no as one would hope)

Or, I think this is part of his ruse and he hoped people would not notice the shaky scope shots in his video.
99% of people would not think to ask "what are those squigily lines on your scope next to to the CH1 10v and CH2 ?
And what settings does that effect ?
He loves to quote Bill Alek, but he does the same. (See TKs evidence)

He knows (now at least) that AC coupling is used mostly to read smaller AC values riding on larger DC (as you also point out above).

He doesn't like that other people know and so at first he bravely ran away, and has since returned using the 'f" word all over the place.

Hi EMJunkie

Sorry, this may seem like more nitpicking and I know it can get tedious when someone asks what at first seem like an irrelevant question,
but I think this one needs to be addressed if any measurements are to be considered.

Could you please explain the scope display in your video at 4:01 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY

The scope is a PDS7102T so according to the user manual
(http://www.ageta.hu/pdf/PDS7102T%20USER%20MANUAL.pdf page 14 item 15.)

The icon "～" indicates the AC coupling

If the channels were showing DC coupling, then we would see "-", but we don't.

And according to http://www.phys.ufl.edu/courses/phy4802L/f05/lectures/oscilloscope.pdf pages 5 ad 6,
AC coupling is used to Remove all DC information and also To observe small AC on top of large DC

So What is the purpose of this display mode in this particular test ?
and hence, Where are you showing the DC components of the channels ?

I apologize in advance if I have missed that.

[MileHigh]

A.King21:

Tinsel Koala and Mile High:  You clearly did not understand what you saw in that video.
So let's try some more proof.

The new clip that you linked to doesn't even address my statement about bucking coils.  How could you think that it did?  How can you make such wild assumptions?  You are the one that is not understanding.

What I stated is fact.  If you understand how a transformer works you have to agree with me.  If you don't, then go on your bench and do the "100-turn, 200-turn, 300-turn" test like I suggested and confirm it for yourself.  When you do the 300-turn test, and and subtract individual turns until you bring the voltage down to zero.  You know what they say, "Do the experiments."

It takes one single day to understand how a transformer works.  Then when you look at a stupid clip where you see the guy is making no sense, instead of believing that the clip has a "special configuration," you will realize the clip is junk.

In the future, if you are going to make a technical point to me it has to be on subject, just throwing a link to a semi-related clip is no good.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

You need to use your own common sense to know if you should or shouldn't use AC coupling to measure power.  That's the type of thing that you don't need to look up in a book.  If you do need to look it up in a book it means that you 'jumped forward' in the learning process which was a mistake.  In other words, if you do need to look it up in a book you have problems.  Just hit the reset button and "open up your  Electronics 001 book to page one and start reading."  Before you start measuring power you need to have a solid understanding of all of the electronics fundamentals.

[MileHigh]

John.K1:

Well, Maybe it is not just a three components. May be it is many parameters around of this three components. From your experience make a list of what can make a difference in the circuit and you will may be end-up with full page.  Just imagine how tricky this thing can be.  A bit more of juice and you get completely different behavior, like I did just an hour ago. On scope almost straight line on the output, little bit more volts in and bang, my PS has still  pain in an ass from that shock.  All I want to say- Do not expect  linear output behavior. But I also do not say some effect comes only from the partnered coils.

Your train of thought is definitely on the wrong track here.  Things are not nearly as tricky and mysterious and mystical as you are suggesting.  You just _think_ that you saw unusual things.  How a transformer works, and by extension how a bucking coils transformer works should not surprise you.  So I encourage you to do the background research.

There are probably about five or six concepts and related variables and parameters associated with a transformer that will cover 99.9% of all that you can possibly observe on your bench when you play with a transformer.  Master those concepts and understand the related variables and parameters and you are done.  Repeat the same tests that you make reference to above and you would realize how plain and ordinary your observations really were.

If you have this kind of attitude when it comes to the stuff you see around here with respect to electronic circuits, then you will likely lead yourself down many incorrect garden paths.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

There is some soul-searching going on about this project here, and it is also now happening on OUR.

Probably the biggest question is:  Why are we all here discussing this and doing some kind of trial-and-error replication process when the person making the proposition has not presented a physical device or any credible data?

I want to discuss a related issue, and I will give it a not-so-flattering name.  I will call it the "Little Lost Sheep" effect.  So the LLS effect for short.

The LLS effect comes into play when people are beginners in electronics and they don't know what they don't know.  Alternatively, you could have been playing and experimenting with electronics for years, but clearly you made some mistakes along the way and your understanding is flawed or there are big holes in it.  So people with the LLS effect can end up discussing things and making tests for things that don't even make sense.

Where we saw it in this debate on both forums is this business about CC vs. CCW-wound coils.  This is not be confused with the bucking vs. regular configuration, which is nearly as bad.

People have been saying things like "Try bucking but the coils must be CC and CC."  Or there were statements like, "Remove your CC coil and wind a new coil CCW and try that."

Some people are fully aware that this is nonsense talk, but they are too polite to say anything and they want people to focus on getting a test going.  Itsu is fully aware of this but he is being very kind and cooperative in the spirit of doing the investigation.

The simple truth is that it does not matter if the coil is CC or CCW-wound when viewed from the front of the core assembly, looking from the left to the right.  The only thing that counts is the direction of the actual current flow.  You can take a CC-wound coil or a CCW-wound coil or flip the orientation of either version of coil on the core shaft and for all practical intents and purposes it does not make a damn difference in the world.  All that you have to do is make sure that you wire up your circuit to the two terminals of the coil so the direction of the current flow is such that the magnetic field is pointed in the direction of your choice.

All of this discussion about trying CC coils vs. CCW coils is utter nonsense.  It is so ridiculous it's almost hard to believe.  All of the people that have been taking this silly nonsensical debate seriously need to take a serious look in the mirror.  If you took this debate seriously then it means that you barely have a grasp of the most fundamental basics of magnetism.  What the hell are some of you doing?  You are just little lost sheep.  Surely you can do better.  Every single person involved in this project that took this nonsense seriously starting from Chris needs to do some soul searching.  If you only knew how ridiculous you look like from the perspective of a typical EEVblogger you would be shocked.

Sorry for the tough love but there are limits sometimes.

MileHigh