Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[tinman]

@ALL - This is totally fraudulent Crap!

AC Coupling for AC Waves is not the wrong way to measure AC Waves!

If one has eliminated the possibilities of DC Offset then there is absolutely nothing wrong with measuring AC Waves with AC Coupling!!!

This is TinselKoala Bullshit Piffle that anyone can call Tektronix and ask them!

I mean seriously! Why on Earth would Oscilloscopes have AC Coupling for!

This is a TOTAL Copout and utter Piffle!

if there is an error the margin is very small and for true AC Wave its absolutely negligible! Especially when you're getting 160+ % output!

Do your own Homework and call Tektronix! See for your self! Don't believe what some Villain tells you!

If you have only an AC component,then yes,as far as i know,AC coupling is what should be used. It allows you to zoom in so as you can messure small AC signals. But if there is any DC component to your signal or system,then DC coupling should be used.

[Farmhand]

My understanding is that by using "AC" coupling you effectively introduce a capacitor in series with the scope probe.
And that doing so will cause measurement errors in many cases.

If It makes no difference to insert a capacitor in series with the scope probe then why not go ahead and try to get the
same measurement with a 10 uF capacitor also in series with the probe. See what that does to the measurements.

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[conradelektro]

Because the Russian Toroid Joule Thief came up in this thread, I mean this one
http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg436421/#msg436421 ,

I did some measurements with a similar hook up. Please look at the attached drawing.

The measurements according to the attached drawing:

Signal from the function generator: 10 Vpp sine wave, 2 kHz (all is similar from 50 Hz to 25 kHz)

Vt = 2.4 V (true RMS)

Vh = 0.12 V (true RMS)

Voltage over R1 = Vt - Vh = 2.28

phase shift Ɵ = 24°

current through primary or R1:  I = (Vt - Vh) / R1 = 2.28 / 100 = 0.0228

Watt through primary (input) = I * Vh * cos(Ɵ) = 0.0228 * 0.12 cos(25) = 2.4 mW

Vo = 0.37 (true RMS)

current through secondary or R2: Io =  Vo / R2 = 0.37 / 100 = 0.0037

Watt through secondary (output) _ Io * Vo = 0.0037 * 0.37 = 1.4 mW

It shows that this configuration is also a very bad transformer. I think that the output would be close to zero if the partnered coils were more similar than they are on my transformer. There are at least 10 to 15 turns difference (each partnered output coil has about 180 - 190 turns).

Greetings, Conrad

[conradelektro]

Those of us who are proceeding with builds and experimentation are just doing it for the lulz, evidently.

Let me offer a simple suggestion. Before you go out and buy a dedicated audio amplifier, or heaven forbid, you try this "stuff" with your good stereo system, build up the four-dollar push-pull circuit I have posted several times. Save yourself some money, and _if_ you should blow something with that circuit, it will only be a 75 cent transistor or a 50 cent op-amp chip. Plus you just may learn something useful in the process. The circuit is limited to 15V p-p because of the op-amp. If you need to put more than 1A at 15v p-p, you can just sub in some different transistors by the painful and complicated process of _unplugging the old ones and plugging in the new ones_.

The circuit works just fine from DC to much higher frequencies than any audio amplifier will reach, with sine or square wave input from your signal source.
The images below show, on the left oscilloscope, the _raw signal from the FG_, by direct patchcord connection from the FG's output in parallel to the signal supplied to the op-amp Pin3 input of the circuit. The right oscilloscope shows the output of the push-pull circuit as voltage drop across a 4.7 ohm 1 percent precision noninductive resistor in series with the primary coil of my testbed, with the "partnered" coils set in bucking mode by the DPDT switch.  Both scopes are set at 1v/div (RH scope direct no attenuation, LH scope using 10x atten probe). The FG is set to produce a sine or square wave at 40 kHz. The power supply is providing -7.5V - 0 - +7.5V to the push-pull board, so there is quite a bit of "headroom" left, that is by turning up the FG output you will get proportionally more output to the coil, of course.

I am looking forward to measurements with your nice set up.

I think with a LM2902 (up to 32 Volt) or LM324 (up to 26 Volt) it could be done with a single power supply (only from 0 V to + 26 V for example, no minus potential). Your set up does not allow higher Voltages because the difference between plus and minus potential with a dual power supply can not be higher in an OpAmp than the difference between 0 V and plus potential with a single power supply.

In the data sheet of the LM2902 (or LM324) it says:

Wide power supply range LM324:
Single supply 3V to 32V (26 V LM2902)
or dual supplies ±1.5V to ±16V

If you have the dual power supply one does not need two resistors to lift the input Vin to the OpAmp to Vcc/2.

And of course, the behaviour of "our inventor" has become erratic.

I am going on a trip, no more input from me till Friday.

Greetings, Conrad

[John.K1]

TK, can you link me to your 4 dolars Push - pull please ?

I found the video where Igor Moroz shows some experiments and it looks like he has also partnered coil. It couldn't be so interesting. What surprised me, he called that coil Hutchinson coil. Did Hutchinson experiment with some of these coils too?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByVwNQqNMJo

Cheers.