Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[wistiti]

Hi emfreak
Thank you for free sharing!
We talk about it at: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19931-bucking-coil-inverter.html
Maybe you could add your help there to...?
Ciao!

[EMJunkie]

I decided to cross post this because it's actually about this thread.   I expect to just sit back and wait for the results.  I have no intention of getting involved with the building and testing process and I would be viewed as a "hostile witness" anyway.

MileHigh

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Chris:

I wish you and any participants good luck on the transformer testing thread and I am reposting the picture here again.

I suppose that I have a few suggestions and warning shots to fire across the bow for you and whoever decides to build it.

1.  Forest posted an unrelated link about getting "power from the air."  I would suggest to you and the team that you discourage that because it will mess up the thread which is supposed to be about building and testing your alleged COP 1.7 device.

2.  Where is your own data?  More pictures, measurements, dimensions, scope shots, test methodology, test setup, meter readings, power in and power out measurements?  You are on shaky ground from the get-go because of your limited skills and experience.  So how are we even supposed to know that your COP 1.7 claim is even credible?  I looked through your pdf doc and I didn't see anything like that.

3.  If I was going to build and test your device I would insist on having more information.  Just building off a picture and a claim with no other information gives you almost unlimited opportunities to make up excuses to shoot down any claims from replicators that it doesn't work.  I have seen this happen "all the time" so it's up to you to provide the proper information.

3.  If nobody can replicate your test results the first excuse from the claimant is that the replication wasn't true to the original.  So share your build data.  Is that a rectangular core that forms a closed magnetic circuit?  Where did you get it?  Is there a part number?  Do you have the spec for the ferrite core material?  What gauge of wire and how many turns?  If there are diodes what are the generic part number(s)?  Show some more pictures on your thread, I assume that you still have the device on your bench somewhere.

4.  I will state it again to all of the participants:  Do not let the thread degenerate into a ridiculous mess.  The first person that starts talking about Steron's solid state Orbo should get a demerit point.

5.  If TK or Itsu decide to replicate this device, and they get some help from MarkE and/or Picowatt, then you are going to be in for a rough ride.  The reason I am saying a "rough ride" is because a good replication from that team will be definitive and show the real truth.  No amount of name-calling or freaking out is going to change the good solid hard data that can be produced by that combo.  So if you want to show real character, you will have to concede that you were wrong.

6.  I am sorry you are peeved that I am calling it before anybody has built it.  But at the same time I am encouraging anybody that wants to build it to go forward and build it and test it.  I fully understand the determined desire to go and prove it to yourself no matter what anybody says.  Look, transformers either do something special or they don't.  There are 150+ years of history and science behind this.  I don't have nearly the same level of knowledge, experience, or competence as other people around here but that doesn't matter.  I can think clearly and visualize what is going on for stuff like this quite well and in five years I have never been wrong.

7.  If somebody is going to build this and they have limited knowledge and experience then do not be shy and ask your peers for help.  There is nothing worse than watching someone faking it and doing a bunch of nonsensical foolishness on their bench.  I will give you an example.  Recently Russ was making some measurements of some kind of spikey waveform and he was using the digital current meter display on his bench power supply.  For all anybody knows the current sensing circuitry inside a bench power supply is cheap junk and you can't rely on it at all for any serious measurements.  Don't bullshit yourself and ask for help.

8.  When you are going to report your results don't just make a live hand-held YouTube clip that's just a mish-mash of numbers on meters and unexplained shots of scope traces.  Those are totally bullshit clips.  Post your measurement data in table form, show a few pictures, show a schematic and show your measurement test points on the schematic.  Any voltage measurement done with a meter or an oscilloscope is done across two test points.  If you only show one point it's a super fail.  Nobody is going to assume that the unnamed test point is the ground - you must state both test points.

9.  A reminder, this is about making power-in and power-out measurements.  Anybody that relies on the resistor colour-code for the value of their load resistance is making a huge fail.  You take your best quality multimeter and you actually measure the value of the resistor.  Anybody that is too lazy to do that should not even be doing the experiment.

10.  Here is a big bugaboo for the forums:  error tolerances.  Off hand I can't recall any test threads or clips where experimenters made error tolerance estimates to go along with their data.  I am sure it is done sometimes but it is such a rare occurrence that I can't think of one right now.  It would be very confidence inspiring if when you presented your measurement data you included error tolerances.  Hey, I did it when I was 16 years old in my grade 11 physics and chemistry lab reports and you can do it too.

I know this all sounds like a pain in the ass, but it is worth stating.  Clips vary from incoherent messes with rat's nests of alligator clips and zero information to well done clips with full supporting documentation where it's the supporting documentation that counts and not the clip itself.

MileHigh

@MileHigh - I respect this post - Thank You for this sensible and logical Post!

I have decided that the only proof is in the eyes of the end user. Debate can be pointless because everything can be debated and refuted! It only makes sense to build and test for ones self!

First: Principals involved are extremely simple! Takes a little playing around with in some cases but its easy!

Second: Most everyone here can do it for no more than $20.00 - Most here will already have the materials!

Third: I am willing to help others achieve the above stated Goal!

I have provided all the information in the first thread. I do not have all the answers yet, but I have enough to make it work! Some principals are not normal Transformer Principals! E.G; Loose Coupling is a requirement!

I really do wish all of the people here at ou.com, and as a matter of fact everywhere, could work together and achieve goals! I really hope we can do it here!

I am asking for nothing in return, I am asking for No Money! I am giving all free!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

[EMJunkie]

Hey Chris good thread
Have you considered the mazzili circuit for your bucking coil arrangement.
Can the bucking coils be center taped.
I must admit I have not followed all your links in this thread.
Dont let the naysayers ruin your day, follow your own direction.
A possible solution if the coils cant be center taped.

Hey Dave45,

Thanks I hope it proves productive!

To-date, I have found 3 configurations to work! I have not included one because it over complicates the situation for beginners!

Bucking Coils are necessary on the output, I call them Partnered Output Coils. Simply because prior terminologies are confusing and incorrect by definition!

On the input, really anything that works! I have always used a single coil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY

Thanks for your ideas!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

[EMJunkie]

Hi emfreak
Thank you for free sharing!
We talk about it at: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19931-bucking-coil-inverter.html
Maybe you could add your help there to...?
Ciao!

Hi Wistiti,

No problem - Just doing my bit!

I started this thread so as not to "Clog" other threads with data that may not be relevant or wanted. I am happy to help out if you have questions but if you don't mind, I would like to concentrate all my efforts here for a little while 

Please feel free to cross post though if you think the topic/data is relevant 

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

[EMJunkie]

@ALL

I am going to ask, please, this is about doing ones Homework!

I am happy to help everyone out trying to build/replicate but I do expect people that are participating to know all data that has been provided!

All contained in the first post: http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg433154/#msg433154

I have spent many hours documenting, making videos, and also trying to give this information to others.

Knowing about Charge Separation is an important step!

Also Required Study: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcGWO_x8tpM - @4:46 on...

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!