Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[TinselKoala]

Conrad
some questions have come up ,I sent you a PM


thx
Chet

I have some questions myself.

1) Where are the measurements supporting EMJunkie's claim of overunity and free energy?

2) Why does EMJ keep saying that Conrad's test was done with a single output coil, when Conrad clearly used the dual coil-bucking configuration that EMJ said was the proper connection that would produce the claimed effect?

3) How many different ways are there to connect three components? Because it now seems that EMJ is going right through the list: try this, try that, try the other.

[MileHigh]

One thing that's missing is the basic straight-forward science/electronics/engineering rational analysis of how the circuit or any other variation works.  We know all about transformers, coils, changing flux, turns of wire, turns ratios, EMF generation, etc.  Most of you already use these tools in your heads and on your bench all the time.

So just from that basic 'tool kit' you can simply analyse how Chris' circuit works on paper, and then go on the bench and check for yourself.  It's really not rocket science.

Supposing that your bucking coils are 300 turns.  So then just go on your bench and keep one bucking coil 300 turns, and then try making measurements for when the second bucking coil is 100, then 200, then 300 turns.  Does what you see correspond with what the basic tool kit tells you should be happening?  Apply your intelligence!  Invent a useful experiment like the example I just gave.  You are going to find that your tool kit of knowledge correctly predicts what will happen.

Then, take a look at all the variations on the theme that Chris gave.  Use your tool kit of knowledge, knowledge that is in your head, to figure out how they work.  You don't really have to build all of Chris' variations to know how they will work.  Just do it in your head.  This 'try anything' business from Chris is not sensible.  It's clutching at straws.  I think that you should just stick with the original circuit and test that.

Sprinkled throughout this thread I actually do most of the 'application of the standard took kit.'

The tree of knowledge, bla, bla, bla.  You can't experiment with this giant blind sport in the center of your field of vision and only look at the periphery.  You have to deal with the whole picture and use the whole picture to figure out what is going on.

MileHigh

[MarkE]

I have some questions myself.

1) Where are the measurements supporting EMJunkie's claim of overunity and free energy?

2) Why does EMJ keep saying that Conrad's test was done with a single output coil, when Conrad clearly used the dual coil-bucking configuration that EMJ said was the proper connection that would produce the claimed effect?

3) How many different ways are there to connect three components? Because it now seems that EMJ is going right through the list: try this, try that, try the other.

When someone starts out claming a numerical result, and then immediately turns around and states that they have no interest in measurements, I have to wonder whether the whole thing is a put-on.  But for the numerical claim who would be interested?

[conradelektro]

I have some questions myself.

1) Where are the measurements supporting EMJunkie's claim of overunity and free energy?

2) Why does EMJ keep saying that Conrad's test was done with a single output coil, when Conrad clearly used the dual coil-bucking configuration that EMJ said was the proper connection that would produce the claimed effect?

3) How many different ways are there to connect three components? Because it now seems that EMJ is going right through the list: try this, try that, try the other.

To make finding my measurements easier I recapitulate:


The latest and corrected measurement: http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg436135/#msg436135

The wrong calculation but it shows the test circuit correctly: http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg436056/#msg436056

The "normal transformer situation" http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg436051/#msg436051

Early measurements http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg435839/#msg435839

Early measurements, coil specs, scope shots, photos http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg435506/#msg435506

Exact specification of my core http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg434722/#msg434722


Well, one needs to read all that carefully in order to understand what I did, but for a person with an average IQ it should be clear.

Tests with a mono audio amplifier are under way, but it will take time. I do not want to spend all my time experimenting. Some nice snow has fallen lately and I will do some snow shoe walking or snowshoeing (as some call it) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowshoe

It is fairly simple to do this experiment (specially if you look at my recapitulation above) and I would appreciate some more replications. Talk is cheap, experimenting gives answers.

Greetings, Conrad

[conradelektro]

In the mean time, the pros and people of good will could look at my intended test circuit with the 12 W mono audio amplifier (see attached diagram)

http://www.conrad.at/ce/de/product/117560/Kemo-Verstaerker-Modul-M032N-Baustein-6-16-VDC-Ausgangsleistung-12-W
http://www.produktinfo.conrad.com/datenblaetter/100000-124999/117560-an-01-ml-Verstaerker_Modul_12W_de_en_fr_nl_pl_ru.pdf

The 1 Ohm shunt R3 will be put in later, initial measurement just with R1.

The 10 Ohm resistor R1 is there because the primary has a very low DC resistance of only 2 Ohm and the output of the mono audio amplifier would be over powered. In certain situations I might be able to remove it (higher frequency, blocking primary).

Initially I will use R1 as a shunt (for current measurement). Later on an extra shunt R3 will be put in, for seeing a possible phase shift between R1 and R3 (not only the phase shift in the primary) and for a control measurement.

I will do a careful GND connection of all instruments (function generator, scope, power supply) and test circuit primary and secondary, which will allow me to use the scope probes in an easier way as MileHigh explained.


Current through input circuit: I = (Va - Vp) / R1 or alternatively I = Vs / R3

Watt through primary (input): I * Vp * cos(Ɵ) or alternatively I * (Vp - Vs)  * cos(Ɵ)

Current from secondary (output): Io = Vo / R2

Watt from secondary through R2 (output): Io * Vo


Greetings, Conrad