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Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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EMJunkie

Quote from: PIH123 on February 04, 2015, 08:09:23 PM
I am not concerned too much with other peoples time. I care about mine.
Conversing on a forum is not an issue, so I can keep on going till I get what I need to start.
A minimum of 1,2,4,5 and 6 above.


Again, not really interested in your questions.
It is the 1.7 COP claim we are looking at.
In fact anything above 1.0 would be great.

If you had that from the beginning, then it is not you who should be asking questions.
You clearly stated you were here to teach, so go ahead. Answer something, anything.
 

If we can get to OU, then I would gladly fly anywhere in the world to help investigate why.
You claim to have got there already, why must others also understand why first ?

I am not interested in Itsu's replications. Up until yesterday, you were asking him to change things around (CW vs CCW).
So obviously, he went into this without sufficient info.
He may not yet have all he needs.

Who are you in this for? Sounds like a drive for self and not for the common good!

For greedy selfish people I have no time! I am not impressed at all!

Your response does not impress me one little bit and makes me reluctant to share more information!

MileHigh

Chris:

The main phenomenon taking place that is throwing you off is what happens when the MOSFET switches off.  When that happens then the L1 coil takes over and starts to push current through D1 and acts like a current pump, pumping current through the entire loop.

Here the electricity has momentum, it's a current source.  The entire loop of wire and components that form the loop as seen from the perspective of L1 look like an obstacle trying to prevent L1 from being able to pump current.  Or you can say the entire loop is the load on L1.

Any component that tries to prevent L1 from pushing current through the loop will be overcome by L1.  The big problem is that you have an "instant on" current waveform, where the current goes from zero to x amps instantly.  It's that sharp edge in the current waveform that causes all of the voltage spikes and the measurement havoc.

L1 will simply increase its voltage output to keep the current flowing at the desired rate by overcoming any resistance in its path to the current flow.  Most importantly, any inductance through the loop will oppose the sudden onrush of current supplied by L1.  It's the sudden onrush that makes all the difference.  So L1 "clashes" with other downstream inductors and the result is voltage spikes.  In effect both inductors raise a voltage spike against each other.

So the big spikes that you see are just L1 working to maintain the current flow.  Those big voltage spikes can throw the power measurements off.  However, someone that really knows what they are doing can still make proper very precise measurements that will show no over unity.  But the over unity that you think you see with your funky not-properly-grounded voltage measurement is a fake-out.

The effect in question is the same as the water hammer effect you get when you shut off a water valve too quickly in the basement of a house and you hear the banging in the pipe.  We have seen this effect in circuits hundreds of times over the years.

MileHigh

EMJunkie

Quote from: MileHigh on February 04, 2015, 08:50:46 PM
Chris:

The main phenomenon taking place that is throwing you off is what happens when the MOSFET switches off.  When that happens then the L1 coil takes over and starts to push current through D1 and acts like a current pump, pumping current through the entire loop.

Here the electricity has momentum, it's a current source.  The entire loop of wire and components that form the loop as seen from the perspective of L1 look like an obstacle trying to prevent L1 from being able to pump current.  Or you can say the entire loop is the load on L1.

Any component that tries to prevent L1 from pushing current through the loop will be overcome by L1.  The big problem is that you have an "instant on" current waveform, where the current goes from zero to x amps instantly.  It's that sharp edge in the current waveform that causes all of the voltage spikes and the measurement havoc.

L1 will simply increase its voltage output to keep the current flowing at the desired rate by overcoming any resistance in its path to the current flow.  Most importantly, any inductance through the loop will oppose the sudden onrush of current supplied by L1.  It's the sudden onrush that makes all the difference.  So L1 "clashes" with other downstream inductors and the result is voltage spikes.  In effect both inductors raise a voltage spike against each other.

So the big spikes that you see are just L1 working to maintain the current flow.  Those big voltage spikes can throw the power measurements off.  However, someone that really knows what they are doing can still make proper very precise measurements that will show no over unity.  But the over unity that you think you see with your funky not-properly-grounded voltage measurement is a fake-out.

The effect in question is the same as the water hammer effect you get when you shut off a water valve too quickly in the basement of a house and you hear the banging in the pipe.  We have seen this effect in circuits hundreds of times over the years.

MileHigh

MH, I hear you, I see what you're saying, but, the major problem here is:

Simply moving the Scope Ground from one place (0 Volts Terminal (Which Importantly was the Measuring Reference Point Initially)) in the Circuit to another (Other side of the Load Resistor (A New Measuring Reference Point)) removes a portion of the Wave Form which was seen prior!

From the 0 Volts Terminal, we, at Point A to B to C should be able to account for ALL Power and we can not - Why?

From Point A, the 0 Volts Terminal, to the Point B, the Positive Terminal to Point C the Output Terminal, we can not account for all power relative to 0 Volts Terminal! We should see, 1+1-1=0, but instead, we are seeing 1.3 Watts that is unaccounted for.

WOW I see this as a massive bag of worms! Many people will not even want to discuss this! Many will just want this to go away!

MarkE

Quote from: EMJunkie on February 04, 2015, 08:45:55 PM
Who are you in this for? Sounds like a drive for self and not for the common good!

For greedy selfish people I have no time! I am not impressed at all!

Your response does not impress me one little bit and makes me reluctant to share more information!
LOL, the guy who makes the unsupported boisterous claims, objects to the information requirements someone sets before they will take interest.  Tell me:  Do you stare at empty exhibits at museums and zoos just to see if you can get a crowd to look as well?

EMJunkie

Quote from: MarkE on February 04, 2015, 09:08:48 PM
LOL, the guy who makes the unsupported boisterous claims, objects to the information requirements someone sets before they will take interest.  Tell me:  Do you stare at empty exhibits at museums and zoos just to see if you can get a crowd to look as well?


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