Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[EMJunkie]

If by the "start" you mean from page one of this thread, sorry, one time was enough...

I have been reading today from where I had previously left off.  I read TK's prior post and MarkE's response to TK from last night regarding the posts I quoted earlier, and having both understood and agreed with Mark's (and TK's) comments, I could only question what it was that made you reply as you did regarding MarkE's post being "Utter non-sense".

Even now, I remain curious as to why you would reply as you did... 

PW

PW - I replied as I did in relation to the Assumptions about the Calculator:

You put IN garbage values for voltage and current and "phase angle" and your Calculator puts OUT garbage values for "power".

You're the one having trouble seeing, since you are blinded by your own "theory" which does not even rise to the level of a consistent conjecture.  And you still don't know how to use your own equipment properly, as you keep demonstrating, to our eternal amusement.

"Worse for where".... LOL, you can't even get your idioms right.

The calculator returns the value:  Watts W: = Voltage V: * Current I: * cos(Phase Angle theta).
The calculator returns correct values for cases of a pure sine wave where: Voltage V is rms Volts, Current I is rms Amperes, and Phase Angle theta is the phase angle between the voltage and the current.

EMJ's ideas is worse for where?  Everywhere.

Certainly the Calculator does what it is told to do. And anyone can do the calculation with the calculators that come with their computer's operating system without needing to download anything. But as you point out.... the validity of the output in Watts depends on correct parameters of the input values. If the "current" and the "voltage" are taken from different branches of the circuit as EMJ has demonstrated, or if DC offset is neglected by improper use of the test equipment as EMJ has demonstrated, or if any of a myriad of other circumstances obtain... the output result validity is the same as that of the input: Garbage IN, Garbage OUT.   QED.

I have no dispute with any of that.  I only wished to point out, and it seems that you agree, that for appropriately narrow circumstances, EMJ's trivial calculator does generate correct results.  Those narrow circumstances do not include any of the waveforms that I recall EMJ posting.  And worse, as you and many others have noted: EMJ did not take his voltage measurements across the circuit branches that he took his current measurements from.

Ok, now I have done the leg work for you, we went from Garbage In/Garbage Out to "I have no dispute with any of that." all in no more than what 5 posts?

Really, what is this behaviour trying to prove to anyone?

It doesn't work and my ideas are false, to yeah I no longer dispute this...

We good to carry on now Pico?

[EMJunkie]

Well said PW. 

Bill

CIA Invite you back did they Bill?

[EMJunkie]

I think were just about done here!

I have fought with the most terrifying Trolls that others refuse to battle for lack of courage!

My message is Un-Deniable to any sane mind! I have offered the most important thing:

[Drak]

Sorry, I will edit and correct my error: Drak

Exactly! You already know what I am talking about! A Changing Magnetic Field!

You will, be patient - "Little Steps for Little Feet" - Feynman

Know where and how, Energy's most important requirements! For there is nothing like really knowing something, the world opens up!

Excellent - Good question. This depends entirely on the setup. In some situations it may mean that yes, it is automatically Circulated. Sometimes its just dumped to ground and not recirculated. This is something that needs to be determined and realised.

I was hoping our resident guru's would be of use here but alas, they are too busy being Trolls.

In an Inductive Capacitive Circuit Energy is Re-Circulated, back and forth from the Capacitor and Inductor. There are losses typically in a Resonant Circuit, and the Efficiency of the Re-Circulation of Energy is determined by the "Q Factor" the Higher the Q Factor, the less Energy you have to put in to keep the Resonance going!

But the second you try to use that resonance for real power, it stops vibrating. Correct? Or do you know a way around this?

However, we have quite a different situation here. Out input coil is acting almost as if it has "Capacity" It does, but more than usual!

Why more then usual?

Almost as if the Input Coil is already in a type of Resonance! In a RLC Circuit, one would typically see a 90 degree phase shift from Voltage to Current. With no Capacitance as such we are seeing a 94 Degree Phase shift already.

The point of me showing the 160 Degree Phase shift, was to show that the Circuit with a Capacitance does not behave like a normal RLC Resonant Circuit. Alas, no one wanted to pic up the ball and point this out... Instead, speculations about a standard Mathematical Calculation were tossed about...

Does this help any?

   Chris

Kinda, I guess I need to study more on Phase shifts, and reactive power vs real power, etc.... I'll just set back and watch some more. 

[picowatt]

PW - I replied as I did in relation to the Assumptions about the Calculator:



Ok, now I have done the leg work for you, we went from Garbage In/Garbage Out to "I have no dispute with any of that." all in no more than what 5 posts?

Really, what is this behaviour trying to prove to anyone?

It doesn't work and my ideas are false, to yeah I no longer dispute this...

We good to carry on now Pico?

You did no legwork for me, I already read all those posts.  TK raised the point that although the calculator performs as per the math, if the values punched in were acquired erroneously, the results would be erroneous (hence his GIGO comment).

Mark elaborated that although he had no problem with anything TK stated regarding the calculator and the need to punch in values that were collected using proper measurement techniques, the calculator also had fairly severe limitations with respect to the complexity of the waveform for which it would return accurate answers.

As well, Mark also stated the need to make measurements of I and V from the same node or leg in a circuit.

Nothing in my read of what was discussed appeared to be "Utter non-sense".

Possibly you misread or misunderstood what was being said.

Anyway, I've read enough for today.  Back to the bench for me...

PW