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Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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MarkE

Quote from: tinman on June 27, 2015, 05:15:03 AM
Yes,but without the small clamping caps in the system.
While doing all these scope shots and measurements today,the small caps do very little. With or without them,my DMM's read the same. As i have stated many times,my DMM's do a very good job at averaging out messy signals. But we do as we are asked,and by following advice by those that know more than me,only helps to set things in stone.

Should have the video up by noon tomorrow-my time. But now my wife and i are off to a 21st-->yah ::),40 drunken miniboppers to put up with.
Thanks.  Unfortunately, this is the way of things.  The more unexpected the apparent results, the more important it is to execute the tedious process of crossing t's and dotting i's.  It is unfortunately the only way to insure that what is unexpected is real and not a perceptual or other error. 

DMMs do typically average very well once the signal content is above around 50Hz and do so typically within a couple to a few percent all the way into the MHz.  Poynt99 and others have tested this rigorously on DMMs ranging from cheap to very expensive.  However, various meters can be thrown off by external RF interference which brush motors are very good at generating.  The decoupling capacitors greatly reduce the possibility of error from such effects. 

Your earlier tests comparing DC drive of the bulb from a bench supply with the same voltage as indicated by the DMM in the test configuration, and the relatively quiet scope traces give us good confidence that the ~10.4V and ~17W load measurements are valid.  The apparent input power that is far less conflicts with First Principles, so we cannot take lightly the task of very carefully eliminating all identifiable possible error sources.  If tomorrow it still looks like the input power is well below the output, then the next sanity check is going to be to attempt to set-up a self-loop. We will not be done until we can either account for what you have seen to date with a conventional explanation, or you've got a machine that runs itself.

EMJunkie

Quote from: MarkE on June 27, 2015, 05:35:40 AM
Thanks.  Unfortunately, this is the way of things.  The more unexpected the apparent results, the more important it is to execute the tedious process of crossing t's and dotting i's.  It is unfortunately the only way to insure that what is unexpected is real and not a perceptual or other error. 

DMMs do typically average very well once the signal content is above around 50Hz and do so typically within a couple to a few percent all the way into the MHz.  Poynt99 and others have tested this rigorously on DMMs ranging from cheap to very expensive.  However, various meters can be thrown off by external RF interference which brush motors are very good at generating.  The decoupling capacitors greatly reduce the possibility of error from such effects. 

Your earlier tests comparing DC drive of the bulb from a bench supply with the same voltage as indicated by the DMM in the test configuration, and the relatively quiet scope traces give us good confidence that the ~10.4V and ~17W load measurements are valid.  The apparent input power that is far less conflicts with First Principles, so we cannot take lightly the task of very carefully eliminating all identifiable possible error sources.  If tomorrow it still looks like the input power is well below the output, then the next sanity check is going to be to attempt to set-up a self-loop. We will not be done until we can either account for what you have seen to date with a conventional explanation, or you've got a machine that runs itself.


Wow, big difference from your typical one liners!

Coming from MarkE, so far this is good!

Re: conventional explanation: I firmly believe it is Induction, standard Induction. Time Rate of Change of the Magnetic Fields. Some of my experiments have shown this to be the only answer that is really possible.

E.G: Turns/Inductance can be the difference between a working device and a non working device. If Tinman were to take off 20% of his turns then the end result would change such. Too many turns can go the other way!

At least, this is my opinion, Tinman's Rotary Transformer is quite obviously not exactly the same as my work, and what I replicated. But he seems to agree the basic underlying principals are the same? Tinman?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

tinman

Quote from: EMJunkie on June 27, 2015, 05:52:38 AM

But he seems to agree the basic underlying principals are the same? Tinman?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

OK-the truth?
I have no idea what to believe in any more.

MarkE

Quote from: tinman on June 27, 2015, 06:10:11 AM
OK-the truth?
I have no idea what to believe in any more.
I suggest that you should believe what you can verify from reliable sources, or by reliable means.

EMJunkie

Quote from: MarkE on June 27, 2015, 06:16:24 AM
I suggest that you should believe what you can verify from reliable sources, or by reliable means.


Hahaha - MarkE!

Tinman, please come to your own conclusions, in your own time, like you already have!

MarkE, you consider me not to be a reliable source, but yet you are here gobbling up all the data you can get your hands on. On a thread you don't believe that Concepts work.

If only you knew, if only you could see, if only your demeanor, you could observe from outside your little bubble. It really is laughable how you look down on others, from the seat you put yourself in! You are no better than anyone else here, and no more important! Never will be!

For it is now that simple things are shown to you that you could never comprehend even up in your High Chair!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org