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Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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tinman

Quote from: Spilled Fluids on July 19, 2015, 07:05:49 AM



Again, gravity is a conservative force and does not create energy. That means the lifting of the ball did not store anymore energy than it took to lift it in the first place.

If your theory were correct then a rock or a marshmellow would both bounce back to almost the same height as they were dropped from.

You are seriously lost-->you need to go re educate your self.

QuoteNo, energy is not generated out of nothing. The energy for the return bounce is generated by the compression of the ball not by the energy used to lift it.

QuoteThe stored energy from the lift is only enough to return it to where it came from.

So once the ball has returned to the starting position(where it came from),all the energy used to raise it has been returned?.

Please explain to all of us here where then the energy came from to compress the ball in order for it to have a return bounce.

Spilled Fluids

Quote from: tinman on July 19, 2015, 07:14:46 AM
Carry out the experiment,and prove to me that the PM did not add any work being done against the spring.
You have simply done what all other guru's do,and failed to provide evidence to the contrary.
If you gain say a 30% increase of force(per scale readings)with the PM in position,then that PM is what gave rise to the 30% increase of force against the spring. The spring now has a 30% increase in stored potential energy while the electromagnet is energized.When the electromagnet is disconnected,the electromagnet will be accelerated by the stored energy within that spring.
You know-mass/acceleration/distance.The mass(coil,formers and pendulum arm)remain the same in test 1 and 2,but the mass in test 2 is accelerated faster,and travels a longer distance when the coil is switched off-->even though the power input remains the same in both test<--providing you switch the coil on for the same amount of time in each test.

I appreciate that you went to the trouble of drawing this experiment up but it does not show that a PM does work. On the contrary, it shows an electromagnet doing work. Changing the ferrite to a PM or any other type of magnet is a red herring...I'm not fond of food that smells like fingers  ;)
If you have a PM experiment that does not use input power via electromagnets or anything else, I will build it and report on whether it does work or not.

Spilled Fluids

Quote from: tinman on July 19, 2015, 07:20:54 AM
You are seriously lost-->you need to go re educate your self.

So once the ball has returned to the starting position(where it came from),all the energy used to raise it has been returned?.

Please explain to all of us here where then the energy came from to compress the ball in order for it to have a return bounce.

Back to hurling insults  :-\

The mass of the ball and it's elasticity provide the compression that generates the energy to lift the ball apart way back up.
As I pointed out, if the energy for the return bounce was stored at the top of the lift then a golf ball and a rock would bounce and return to the same heights but they don't so where is the difference? It's in the amount of energy the compression can add. In the case of the rock which is almost non compressible, it doesn't bounce very high at all since there is little to no energy added. Same goes for a marshmallow, an apple, an egg or anything else you want to raise to a height and drop.

tinman

Quote from: Spilled Fluids on July 19, 2015, 07:21:39 AM
I appreciate that you went to the trouble of drawing this experiment up but it does not show that a PM does work. On the contrary, it shows an electromagnet doing work. Changing the ferrite to a PM or any other type of magnet is a red herring...I'm not fond of food that smells like fingers  ;)
If you have a PM experiment that does not use input power via electromagnets or anything else, I will build it and report on whether it does work or not.

Just as i thought,you have no answer,and thus you hide behind babble.
I have shown you how a PM increases the work that can be done with a set amount of power.
No other material you can come up with will increase the work being done against that spring with a set amount of power as show in my simple experiment.

Like all other self acclaimed guru's,you fail at providing a simple answer,and the reason is-you have none.The electrical power remains the same,and yet the work done against the spring is increased simply by adding a PM into the system. You deny the outcome,and yet you have no argument against it.

Jimboot

Quote from: Spilled Fluids on July 19, 2015, 05:44:00 AM
Yes these are the problems. It's the same with digital music vs analog music. Analog music is complete as captured but digital music is just the analog music sliced and diced then put back together. There is always something lost in the translation. Same goes for scopes or other digital measuring systems.
I'm sorry I missed your question.
That used to be the case but at the sample rates these days it's near impossible to hear the difference. now I'm confused though. Based on marks comment on newer scopes vs older ones should I go for an analogue one or purchase the rigor I'm looking at? I guess that is a question for TK