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Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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tinman

Quote from: Vortex1 on October 14, 2015, 08:01:31 AM
LED's are poor loads to use because at certain power levels can cause core saturation by 1/2 wave rectification. This can skew results and provide bad loading effects on the signal generator.

Far better to use known resistor loads that are accurate so that power levels may be easily computes, as Milehigh said.

Also on the original homopolar question, you will be hard pressed to get enough voltage to light a ordinary red LED which is around 1.5 volts.

Unless precision built and balanced for high speed operation it is difficult to get to the LED threshold voltage, because high speeds are required or large diameters for this high threshold voltage. Most home built homopolars output less than a volt, often just a few hundred millivolts at lower RPM's. (sub2k RPM's)

Some of this low voltage output can be alleviated with the many tandem designs built by DePalma and others in the history of it's development.
Others have tried designs with spiral segments in the disc.

Regards, Vortex1

QuoteLED's are poor loads to use because at certain power levels can cause core saturation by 1/2 wave rectification. This can skew results and provide bad loading effects on the signal generator.

I thought that the scope shot's and my clearly stating that a FWBR was placed across the two secondary coils made it clear that it was a full wave rectification of the secondary outputs.

tinman

Quote from: poynt99 on October 14, 2015, 08:24:00 AM
Just stating the obvious; voltage isn't power. ;)

And where did i say or infer that it was?.
Obviously the LED being brightly lit also has current associated with that voltage,and that is power.

tinman

Full video is uploading now,but as it is lengthy,it is going to take some time to upload.
I will post it here when done-maybe my tomorrow morning if it takes to long tonight.

In the mean time,here are some scope shots showing 3 different resistive loads across the two secondaries. These scope shots where taken during the testing on the video.

Vortex1

Quote from: tinman on October 14, 2015, 08:30:37 AM
I thought that the scope shot's and my clearly stating that a FWBR was placed across the two secondary coils made it clear that it was a full wave rectification of the secondary outputs.

Sorry, haven't been following that closely, nevertheless, the FWBR and LED combination present a very non-linear loading effect, though symmetrical.

Probably won't be a saturation problem but makes it more difficult to compute power lost in all the diode drops including the LED. Non-linear loading can generate strange harmonics under certain conditions making measurement difficult.

It is good to see that you are now using resistors.

Regards
Vortex1

tinman

Quote from: Vortex1 on October 14, 2015, 08:50:50 AM
Sorry, haven't been following that closely, nevertheless, the FWBR and LED combination present a very non-linear loading effect, though symmetrical.

Probably won't be a saturation problem but makes it more difficult to compute power lost in all the diode drops including the LED. Non-linear loading can generate strange harmonics under certain conditions making measurement difficult.

It is good to see that you are now using resistors.

Regards
Vortex1

I would agree on that.
In these test,i dont think there is any chance of core saturation,as im only running straight from my SG-no amp. So we are looking at mW here.

I also think it very interesting that even though the turn ratio is the same on all 3 winding's,and we are using only half the amount of wire on the inner secondary,the inner secondary is putting out near twice the amount of power as that of the outer secondary-->the pure resistive loads shown in the scope shots in my last post.

Will be trying inductive loads next,and see what happens there.