Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[Vortex1]

Something is not right with this circuit,as adjusting the pot changes both wave forms-one is an exact mirror of the other,no matter where the pot is set. If i invert the yellow channel,you only see the blue channel,as the yellow trace is hidden behind it. If i hook up the two coils out of phase with each other,then we draw a lot of current,and no ringing at all-not to mention a smoking pot.
If i set the two coils in phase,they mirror each other exactly-same amplitude and wave form. If i replace the battery with a 2000uF cap,and charge that cap to battery voltage,it keeps ringing strongly for around 1/2 an hour before it stop's.

It dose nothing at a low pulse frequency. The frequency needs to be up around 40KHz before the ringing starts. As i raise the resistance on the pot,the amplitude of both wave forms drop's-there is never any difference between the two wave form's.

See scope shot's below.

Brad

The circuit seems to be working fine. Actually at the low frequency the ringing is still there, but at the sweep rate of the scope, and low duty cycle it may be hard to catch.
Raising the frequency puts more repetitions onto the screen and it is easier to catch. We see the next kick occurring before the wave has fully damped out at the higher frequency of 40kHz.

It takes some experience with these scopes to capture the ringing at a low repitition rate.

You can separate the traces on the screen with the vertical position controls, no need to invert, on the other hand if the traces lie perfectly superimposed on each other, that tells you they have exactly the same amplitude, so that tells us something.

As expected, windings out of phase (negative feedback) kills the oscillation, and windings in phase (positive feedback) supports the oscillation. Now we just need to find out why the damping ratio is so high, i.e. the ringing frequency decays fairly quickly. The damping ratio is computed from the amplitude of the first cycle to the amplitude of the second cycle of ringing.

"In engineering, the damping ratio is a dimensionless measure describing how oscillations in a system decay after a disturbance. Many systems exhibit oscillatory behavior when they are disturbed from their position of static equilibrium."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damping_ratio

If there was a gain>1, the secondary should be slightly higher ringing amplitude than the primary, by whatever gain you have calculated from your measurements.


If I had a transformer such as yours, I would be testing it on the bench myself, but I may not have followed the early build instructions to duplicate exactly what you have wound and potted with additional iron putty. I also don't have the exact core on hand.

As for the smoking pot (not legal in this state), I should have mentioned that this needs to be able to support current which will also charge the secondary, as such a power rheostat or variable power resistor could be substituted.

By the way, I do not consider myself one of the "big guns", I am a mostly self taught electronics tinkerer that had a few good mentors in my life, and 60 years of practical electronic experience on the bench, over 40 designing products for a company alongside doing my own experiments. The real "big guns" can dance circles around the likes of me.

Regards
Vortex1

[poynt99]

Like i said to PW-i can only go by what me equipment shows me.

Sure, that is partly true.

But if your equipment (or measurements) is showing you something that is impossible (in this case two different currents computed in the same series circuit), then it is incumbent on you to determine why that is, before you move on to something else. Why repeat the anomaly before figuring it out?

I would be digging in to my measurements to find out exactly why there is a discrepancy before I did anything else.

For example, I suggested the 3kHz resistor test, similar to what you did with your power supply. Why are you not trying that? Getting those CVR resistors will help a lot. Good on you.

btw, Regarding the E and B field debate we've been having, will you be posting results of your B field measurements outside the toroid any time soon?

[MileHigh]

Indeed, Poynt's comment about the discrepancy in the current measurement in the same loop of the circuit is a sticking point that must be unstuck to the satisfaction of the experimenter.

ION, BTW, in Canada smoking pots may actually be legal one day as of yesterday.

I have a beef about the modern B.S. age we live in and how we are stoopid sometimes when it comes to significant figures.  TK likes to mention significant figures, and this issue is just as important as measurement tolerances and accounting for them.  When I grew up there were no hand-held digital stopwatches.  In those days stopwatches had a resolution of one-tenth of a second.  Nowadays, whether you are talking about a dedicated digital stopwatch, or a digital stopwatch on your digital watch or phone, they lie.  They lie because they measure time to one-hundredths of a second.  Does any human being possess the capacity to be accurate to one-hundredth of a second when they stop their digital stopwatch?  The answer is NO, and therefore the second digit past the decimal point is meaningless garbage data.

Lies!  All lies!  Wawawah....

[EMJunkie]

I have a beef about the modern B.S. age we live in and how we are stoopid sometimes when it comes to significant figures.  TK likes to mention significant figures, and this issue is just as important as measurement tolerances and accounting for them.  When I grew up there were no hand-held digital stopwatches.  In those days stopwatches had a resolution of one-tenth of a second.  Nowadays, whether you are talking about a dedicated digital stopwatch, or a digital stopwatch on your digital watch or phone, they lie.  They lie because they measure time to one-hundredths of a second.  Does any human being possess the capacity to be accurate to one-hundredth of a second when they stop their digital stopwatch?  The answer is NO, and therefore the second digit past the decimal point is meaningless garbage data.

Lies!  All lies!  Wawawah....

I have been down this road with someone before. I find it laughable that people say this!

therefore the second digit past the decimal point is meaningless garbage data.

I was always taught to give a result in a single Unit, in this case Watts, or Amps, or Volts. Now because we are dealing with quite a large range of numbers across the board, we are best to keep some uniformity.

Really, what is a Conversion Factor?

Well: 0.0136 Amps x 1000 gives us 13.6 milliAmps, or 0.00761 Watts * 1000 gives us 7.61 milliWatts...

So, is this really as MileHigh says?

Is it really the case that "the second digit past the decimal point is meaningless garbage data." - Of course not! This is total non-sense!

Use the conversion factor of your choice!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

[MileHigh]

You're just not getting it.