Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[partzman]

Here are some musings on magnetization.

Smudge

Smudge,

Just read this paper and find it most informative. I would like to quote your statement-

"That a collection of passive components could be a source of energy is not accepted by the scientific
community, they would claim this to be a math artefact. The question to be asked is whether an inductive
component containing ferromagnetic material is really passive when it derives its characteristics from
things that actually move. There is the possibility that with the correct system architecture energy can be
transported from the quantum forces that drive that movement."

This could certainly apply to Tinman's device with his cored transformer.

partzman 

[tinman]

Tinman,

I thought my question was English.

Where and how was the 1R connected to the FG?

For example, did you make a special fixture using BNC's to position the 1R directly at the FG output or did you just connect it at the far end of a BNC cable or use clip leads?

Also, is this your non-inductive 1R?

The whole point of performing the measurement DIRECTLY at the FG's BNC was to eliminate cable inductance/capacitance from that measurement.

PW

And how would any cable inductance or capacitance play a roll in the results shown,as we are measuring at the CVR with both scope probes. We are looking at what the HTT is receiving from the FG at the HTT,and what is coming back out of the HTT at the HTT.  What the lead's are doing from the FG or what the FG it self is doing,has nothing to do with what the HTT is doing.

The scope is showing us the voltage and waveform on either side of the CVR. We dont want to include any losses there may be withing the FG's cables,as that is not looking at what the HTT is doing. You dont see the power companies trying to meter your home's power consumption from the power station -do you ?.

Second-- most of you may think that the 1 ohm 10 watt cement resistor i was using is inductive,well turns out it is not-->it is actually slightly capacitive,not inductive. When i tested it by putting it in series with a 10 ohm carbon resistor with my FG across the two,and use it as my CVR,the current actually leads the voltage,which means it's actually capacitive,not inductive. This is through a sweep right up to 20MHz.

[picowatt]

How can it be measured exactly as it was in previous test when MH wants one probe either side of the 1 ohm CVR?,where as in other test,we had 1 channel measuring current,and the other measuring voltage.

Tinman,

Which is why I suggested using the FG's 50R as a CVR instead of using another series resistor.

I would trigger the scope externally via the FG's trigger out.  Then connect your circuit as before and adjusted for optimum "negative resistance" or whatever parameter you desire.

Then, without changing anything else, disconnect one scope probe from your circuit.  I would disconnect the scope probe being used to measure your CSR current as it would likely have the least affect on the circuit.  Observe your other scope channel as you disconnect the CSR probe to see if there are any changes in displayed amplitude or phase.  If not, proceed to measuring the FG output using the now free probe (using the external trigger allows you to see any effect disconnecting the CSR probe has on the other channel regarding phase)

To measure the FG output, disconnect your circuit from the FG and directly probe the FG output.  Note the measured amplitude.  Then, reconnect the FG output to your circuit and again measure the FG output directly at the FG's BNC connector.  As previously suggested, the use of a BNC "tee" simplifies doing this.

On my older Tek and HP equipment with panel mount BNC's, I would just temporarily disconnect an unused BNC (VCO in, etc) and run a short wire from the FG's output buffer side of the 50R to that re-purposed jack.  I have done so on many occasions.  But on your FG, the BNC's are probably all PC mount, making that a bit more difficult.

Alternately, you could make up a fixture using a male and female BNC connected via a 1R resistor with a piece of buss wire soldered between their grounds.  This can then be connected between the FG's BNC and your circuit's BNC cable.  However, this will require you to have another low inductance 1R resistor.  The FG's 50R output resistor is generally of low inductance.

One must keep in mind that at lower frequencies, the FG output, when considered from the end of a connected cable, appears to have an impedance of 50R.  However, at higher frequencies, cable inductance and capacitance will have considerable effect.  You may at some point consider performing a measurement using 50R coax (terminated with 50R) to connect the FG to your circuit to see what affect that may have on your measurements. 

In your previous scope captures depicting "negative resistance", consider that between the FG's output buffer (a low impedance point) and your circuit is the FG's 50R and whatever interconnect cable inductance and capacitance that there is in that cable.

At the frequencies you have moved up to, simply drawing a symbol for the FG connected to your primary paints an incomplete picture. 

PW         

[Smudge]

Smudge,

Just read this paper and find it most informative. I would like to quote your statement-

"That a collection of passive components could be a source of energy is not accepted by the scientific
community, they would claim this to be a math artefact. The question to be asked is whether an inductive
component containing ferromagnetic material is really passive when it derives its characteristics from
things that actually move. There is the possibility that with the correct system architecture energy can be
transported from the quantum forces that drive that movement."

This could certainly apply to Tinman's device with his cored transformer.

partzman

Be my guest and quote it wherever you like.  I have spent my entire professional life (plus 16 years being retired) firstly as an electronic engineer, then later as an electromagnetic systems engineer with emphasis on near-field phenomena where the wave impedance is reactive.  When I discover that classical transmission-line theory predicts a passive system acting as a power source I look for either (a) the math is incorrect or (b) where might that power come from?  And in doing this I discover problems with classical magnetic theory that hides inter-atomic magnetic field energy from view.  There is considerable energy there which most learned professors would deny actually exists.  Students of EM are just not taught correctly, and then don't have the insight to question what they are being taught.  Any professor who puts his head above the parapet to claim that OU is possible is likely to lose his job (Prof Turtur is an example).  I could go on with this rant but that won't solve things.  Just carry on the good work

Smudge

[picowatt]

Tinman,

As I suggested previously, you might consider using your FG's N-cycle burst mode, if it has that function, to excite your circuit with just one cycle, or half cycle. 

PW