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[tinman]

Tinman,

No, it was not.  I suggested measuring the FG's open circuit and loaded output voltage (while your circuit was connected and performing as desired).

As per your earlier complaints about us not being clear on what and how to measure, I posted a rather detailed description of exactly how to go about making those FG output measurements.  If I was unclear regarding that, please let me know.

Otherwise, no worries...

PW

PW
Quote post 6104

Tinman,

I thought my question was English.

Where and how was the 1R connected to the FG?

For example, did you make a special fixture using BNC's to position the 1R directly at the FG output or did you just connect it at the far end of a BNC cable or use clip leads?

Also, is this your non-inductive 1R?

The whole point of performing the measurement DIRECTLY at the FG's BNC was to eliminate cable inductance/capacitance from that measurement.

PW


From these above statements,i was under the impression that that was what you wanted me to do-place the 1 ohm CVR at the FG's output to eliminate any cable inductance/capacitance.

My apologies if i read it wrong.

Brad

[picowatt]

PW
Quote post 6104

Tinman,

I thought my question was English.

Where and how was the 1R connected to the FG?

For example, did you make a special fixture using BNC's to position the 1R directly at the FG output or did you just connect it at the far end of a BNC cable or use clip leads?

Also, is this your non-inductive 1R?

The whole point of performing the measurement DIRECTLY at the FG's BNC was to eliminate cable inductance/capacitance from that measurement.

PW


From these above statements,i was under the impression that that was what you wanted me to do-place the 1 ohm CVR at the FG's output to eliminate any cable inductance/capacitance.

My apologies if i read it wrong.

Brad

Tinman,

Possibly you did not see my posts made prior to you and MH "getting in to it".  The measurements I discussed were with regard to the loaded/unloaded FG output.  If you had seen my posts regarding the FG output and using its internal 50R as the CVR, surely you would have quoted those posts instead.

But yes, when the measurement you posted was as per MH's suggestion, I tried to help clean that up a bit.

I could write a few more paragraphs regarding why I prefer the measurement I discussed, but there has already been way too much time spent discussing a 30 second measurement.

Was I unclear regarding the FG output measurements?

In any case, not to worry...

PW

ADDED:  Please don't waste your time making any measurements specifically for me, particularly if the methods or reason for that measurement are not clear.  I had actually hoped you would understand the reasoning behind the proposed measurement and the methods suggested, not just blindly perform it.

Again, no worries...

[MileHigh]

Brad:

Thank you for doing the tests.  I am assuming that you actually saw the "negative resistance" waveforms before you then connected your probes to the non-inductive one-ohm resistor.

So what are your conclusions?

MileHigh

[picowatt]

Tinman,

Have you checked your scope probe compensation since you began working at higher frequencies?

I assume you are using 10X probes.  A minor misadjustment of your probes' compensation caps can present significant errors at HF.

Before adjusting them, consider simultaneously connecting both probes to your FG output and check that you get the same measurement from both probes/channels in the 1-10MHz range you've been working at.

If they measure the same and with a flat response, your golden, if not, you'll likely have to tweak the compensation caps.   

PW

[tinman]

Brad:

Thank you for doing the tests.  I am assuming that you actually saw the "negative resistance" waveforms before you then connected your probes to the non-inductive one-ohm resistor.

So what are your conclusions?

MileHigh

MH
You have lost me,and your statement makes no sense.
How can i see any wave forms before i connect the probe's to the CVR ?

My conclusion.
If we take into account any losses there may be in the FG's cable,then the voltages at the FG's output should have been higher than those seen at the end of the FG's cable. As the voltages seen at the end of the FG's cable across the CVR were higher than the voltages seen across the CVR when the CVR was directly at the FG's output jack,then that is telling me !once again! that more power is being produced at the HTT than the FG is delivering. This once again shows a negative resistive effect.