Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[itsu]

PM,

I will answer that.

i did mention it in the video to not look at the figures, it was the phase relationships i was after.
I should of have mentioned it in the post as well.

The problem is (and i am sure you know this) that the input current value seen on the scope (5.84ma rms) would only be valid with the vertical amp. setting
of the green trace to be 10mA/Div. as it obvious shows on the screenshot.

But... this 10mA/Div. is a fixed setting for a Tek current probe to be used, the real vertical amp setting is determined by the current probe controller.
In this case i am pretty sure the controller was NOT set to the shown (fixed) 10mA/Div., so the 5.84ma rms value needs to be adjusted.
As i did not note this value now (which i normally do) i don't know what it was, but very probably it was higher.


I have redone this setup to find out the real value of the current controller vertical amp setting and it was 200mA/Div.
So the shown 5.84ma rms (@ 10mA/Div.) should be adjusted by a factor 20, meaning 116.8mA RMS.

The input power therefor comes out at 1.555 x 116.8e-3 x cosine(20) = 170.67mw.
This brings us roughly back to unity.


Itsu

[gotoluc]

@ Itsu,

Last year I built many variations of bucking coil circuits which I tested for months but did not publicly share. Tests were done with and without resonance.
The more interesting effect was with resonance and at one point I thought I had OU.
However, after much more investigation I found the current probe was not measuring accurate results with circuits in resonance range.
There seems to be a very strong EMF emitting outwards from these circuits which may affect a current probe, which btw was the same one as you used in your last video.
It may not be the case with all but I would recommend you also add CSR probe to compare the two just to be safe.

Kind regards

Luc

[partzman]

PM,

I will answer that.

i did mention it in the video to not look at the figures, it was the phase relationships i was after.
I should of have mentioned it in the post as well.

The problem is (and i am sure you know this) that the input current value seen on the scope (5.84ma rms) would only be valid with the vertical amp. setting
of the green trace to be 10mA/Div. as it obvious shows on the screenshot.

But... this 10mA/Div. is a fixed setting for a Tek current probe to be used, the real vertical amp setting is determined by the current probe controller.
In this case i am pretty sure the controller was NOT set to the shown (fixed) 10mA/Div., so the 5.84ma rms value needs to be adjusted.
As i did not note this value now (which i normally do) i don't know what it was, but very probably it was higher.


I have redone this setup to find out the real value of the current controller vertical amp setting and it was 200mA/Div.
So the shown 5.84ma rms (@ 10mA/Div.) should be adjusted by a factor 20, meaning 116.8mA RMS.

The input power therefor comes out at 1.555 x 116.8e-3 x cosine(20) = 170.67mw.
This brings us roughly back to unity.


Itsu

Itsu,

OK, thanks for your explanation.  My thots on an accurate power input analysis regarding power drawn from the signal generator would be to move the low side or grounded end of the 1ufd resonance cap to the low side of the output resistors but above the current probe.  The probe would now include the current thru the cap and could possibly change the overall results.

Good work!

pm

[itsu]

@ Itsu,

Last year I built many variations of bucking coil circuits which I tested for months but did not publicly share. Tests were done with and without resonance.
The more interesting effect was with resonance and at one point I thought I had OU.
However, after much more investigation I found the current probe was not measuring accurate results with circuits in resonance range.
There seems to be a very strong EMF emitting outwards from these circuits which may affect a current probe, which btw was the same one as you used in your last video.
It may not be the case with all but I would recommend you also add CSR probe to compare the two just to be safe.

Kind regards

Luc

Hi Luc,

thanks for this info, you are absolutly right, and i did notice that too.
Normally i compare the current probe with a 0.1 Ohm non inductive CSR if the reading matters like in case of input/output measurments.

There are cases (resonance?) where the values differ much and then i normally use the csr value.

Thanks for mentioning it.

Itsu

[itsu]

Itsu,

OK, thanks for your explanation.  My thots on an accurate power input analysis regarding power drawn from the signal generator would be to move the low side or grounded end of the 1ufd resonance cap to the low side of the output resistors but above the current probe.  The probe would now include the current thru the cap and could possibly change the overall results.

Good work!

pm

Ooops,   yes you are right, i now measure current within the parallel circuit, thats not good, i will change that,  thanks.


Itsu