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----> PROOF Magnets Have a SPINNING Magnetic Field

Started by FatBird, January 25, 2015, 08:32:48 AM

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MileHigh

There is actually no such thing as a "north pole" and a "south pole."  They simply don't exist in real life.

"North pole" and "south pole" are nothing more than naming conventions to make it easier to discuss magnets and practical applications for magnets.

You don't believe me?

You have a long long straight wire with one amp of DC current flowing through it.   We know that there is a magnetic field around the wire due to the current flow.

So, for the case of the long straight wire, where is the north pole and where is the south pole?

I know that it seems counter-intuitive, but you just have to think about it for a while.  You can clearly see that there is a "north pole" on one end of a bar magnet and a "south pole" on the other end.  But then when you look at the example of the long straight wire, there is no way of defining a "north pole" and a "south pole."   So how do you resolve these two seemingly contradictory things?

Vortex1

Quote from: MileHigh on September 22, 2015, 02:29:24 PM
There is actually no such thing as a "north pole" and a "south pole."  They simply don't exist in real life.

"North pole" and "south pole" are nothing more than naming conventions to make it easier to discuss magnets and practical applications for magnets.

You don't believe me?

You have a long long straight wire with one amp of DC current flowing through it.   We know that there is a magnetic field around the wire due to the current flow.

So, for the case of the long straight wire, where is the north pole and where is the south pole?

I know that it seems counter-intuitive, but you just have to think about it for a while.  You can clearly see that there is a "north pole" on one end of a bar magnet and a "south pole" on the other end.  But then when you look at the example of the long straight wire, there is no way of defining a "north pole" and a "south pole."   So how do you resolve these two seemingly contradictory things?

I agree with your statements.

It depends on which direction the observer is facing when looking at the wire or magnet.

e.g a transparent clock spins clockwise when you are facing and counter clockwise when viewed from behind.

MagnaProp

Quote from: Acca on September 22, 2015, 02:08:32 PM
...these are one pole magnetic iron rods with a very very weak pole on one side...
I agree. This might be similar to what MrTeslonian is experiencing. His weak pole might be in the center and thus hard to detect. May prove useful, thanks.

Quote from: MileHigh on September 22, 2015, 02:29:24 PM
...for the case of the long straight wire, where is the north pole and where is the south pole?...
I currently subscribe to the Ed Leedskalnin notion of magnetism as well as a few other ideas I've seen on how magnetism can reciprocate in an open system. For the wire scenario, cut a loop of wire so the ends are exposed and the magnets in the wire will bunch up at the ends creating stronger poles there. This is because magnets/electricity doesn't like to go through air as Ed mentions in his book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCQoKacd9JU

MileHigh

I think the concept that Ed Leedskalnin refers to as "magnetic current" is simply what is conventionally called "magnetic flux."  Magnetic fields and the associated magnetic flux come from moving charges (electrons or protons) and likewise moving charges come from magnetic fields.  The second part explains how a Joule Thief works.

QuoteThis is because magnets/electricity doesn't like to go through air as Ed mentions in his book.

This is an indirect reference to permeability.  It's important to understand both permittivity and permeability and how the nature of different atoms and molecules can affect their measured values.

Once you understand these basics then the so-called "Leedskalnin's perpetual motion holder" is easily explainable and not all that interesting.  Yes, it is almost perpetual, but "motion" is a misnomer.

MagnaProp

Quote from: MileHigh on September 23, 2015, 10:11:28 AM
I think the concept that Ed Leedskalnin refers to as "magnetic current" is simply what is conventionally called "magnetic flux."...
I agree with this but Ed didn't believe in the electron part so I'm not sure about those. Might be quantum quackery?


Quote from: MileHigh on September 23, 2015, 10:11:28 AM
...Once you understand these basics then the so-called "Leedskalnin's perpetual motion holder" is easily explainable and not all that interesting.  Yes, it is almost perpetual, but "motion" is a misnomer.
I'm very interested in his PMH. He mentions in his book that he has filed a patent for a generator, which I have never seen anyone find, and he mentioned in another part that he built a device that put out a small amount of power. I believe it was perpetual power. Lasersaber has been able to tap into some of it which I think is only the beginning of what the device can do.

https://youtu.be/S_ssUTRbRRs