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Open Systems

Started by allcanadian, January 25, 2015, 09:23:46 AM

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profitis

#200
February 09, 2015, 04:37:10 AM
Libre:'However, IF you were to propose a system however where the geometry meant that the ratio of electromagnetic to gravitational forces changed (such as inside a Casmir cavity perhaps) then possibly yes those laws may no longer apply.'

Me: for example a catalyst system.electrolysis and catalysts tend to go well together you agree?

tinman

#201
February 09, 2015, 05:25:12 AM
Unfortunately MarkE or LE just dont see or understand what is happening within my system as a whole. How exactly they think the energy containd within the gas is going to leave the system is yet to be explained.
Neither heat or gas mass leaves the system, and contrary to Marks belief, the spring actually increases the heat energy within the gas in the  cylinder-this will be shown soon enough.

There is simply no way for the energy within the gas to drop when used as it is in my system.

MarkE

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February 09, 2015, 05:41:50 AM
Quote from: tinman on February 09, 2015, 05:25:12 AM
Unfortunately MarkE or LE just dont see or understand what is happening within my system as a whole. How exactly they think the energy containd within the gas is going to leave the system is yet to be explained.
Neither heat or gas mass leaves the system, and contrary to Marks belief, the spring actually increases the heat energy within the gas in the  cylinder-this will be shown soon enough.

There is simply no way for the energy within the gas to drop when used as it is in my system.
I have asked you to confirm my understanding of your beliefs.  Is it your belief that you can take a volume V1 of some gas at some pressure P1 and without adding or subtracting energy from that gas volume, change the volume?  IE end up with a P2*V2 = P1*V1 where P1<>P2?  I think that is your belief.  If it is, kindly show an example of how you can get between two pressure values without either adding or removing energy.  Please show your work.


profitis

#203
February 09, 2015, 08:45:42 AM
Tinman is theoreticly arguing from a 100% reversability pov @mark E.like in this diagram.if twere 100% reversable,would there be a gain in work out after pressure increase.we use two seperate solid ion-exchange membranes.one for electrolysis.one for galvanosis

tinman

#204
February 11, 2015, 05:03:44 PM
As much as id like to Mark, im on vacation. But I must ask-what energy do you think is going to leave the gas when the piston is opperated?
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