Open Systems

[MarkE]

There will be no more input to the electrolisis unit other than that of what the batteries supply.There will however be an additional output from an open system that is a result of the actions of the closed system-but dose not impinge on that closed system-the electrolisis system.
If you are happy that we have accounted for all the energy the battery supplied to the electrolisis unit in the end form of heat, then we will move on. If you are not satisfied that we have converted all the supplied energy into heat, then this must be resolved before we go any further. The reason being that it must be a proof of concept on paper, as it would be very expensive to build and test-but with the monies avaliable, it can be done quite easily

Please draw a simple sketch of where you want to define the boundaries of your inputs and outputs.  We have the battery that will apply some constant amount of power for a fixed amount of time?  We have the water volume at an initial temperature and volume?  We have an internal gas volume at an intial temperture and volume?    We are then going to run the unit and do what with the gas as it emanates?  Do you intend to let it escape and then ignite it?  Or do you intend to collect it at some pressure and measure the volume under an assumption of an HHV value?  What do you plan to do with the water that results?  Do you want to return it to the vessel?  Finally, whatever this open system you wish to attach to, you need to define what will be exchanged with it, so that we can measure it, whether we do that hypothetically on paper or in an actual experiment.

[tinman]

Please draw a simple sketch of where you want to define the boundaries of your inputs and outputs.  We have the battery that will apply some constant amount of power for a fixed amount of time?  We have the water volume at an initial temperature and volume?  We have an internal gas volume at an intial temperture and volume?    We are then going to run the unit and do what with the gas as it emanates?  Do you intend to let it escape and then ignite it?  Or do you intend to collect it at some pressure and measure the volume under an assumption of an HHV value?  What do you plan to do with the water that results?  Do you want to return it to the vessel?  Finally, whatever this open system you wish to attach to, you need to define what will be exchanged with it, so that we can measure it, whether we do that hypothetically on paper or in an actual experiment.

The gas will be stored at pressure, then once we are ready, we will ignite the gas mix, and theresulting water will be returned back to the electrolisis cell for use on the second cycle.

[MarkE]

Is the intent to keep the cell highly insulated or exchange the heat evolved to an external sink?

[tinman]

Is the intent to keep the cell highly insulated or exchange the heat evolved to an external sink?

We want to heat a sealed vessel that the complete electrolisis unit is housed in. I needed a way to heat a sealed area (room so to speak), but also a force to opperate the workings of the secondary open system. That force is the pressure in the storage tanks for the H and O. This pressure would be there regardless if the secondary system is there or not. This is why the secondary system is an open system, as it dose not impinge on the primary system in any way.
The primary system effects the secondary open system, but the secondary system dose not effect the primary system.

[MarkE]

We want to heat a sealed vessel that the complete electrolisis unit is housed in. I needed a way to heat a sealed area (room so to speak), but also a force to opperate the workings of the secondary open system. That force is the pressure in the storage tanks for the H and O. This pressure would be there regardless if the secondary system is there or not. This is why the secondary system is an open system, as it dose not impinge on the primary system in any way.
The primary system effects the secondary open system, but the secondary system dose not effect the primary system.

When you've settled in on what you want please draw a sketch.