Mutual respect, prejudice, safety, and personal responsibility

[Jimboot]

Do you not see a difference between calling someone stupid and saying that they are acting stupidly?

Describing someone's behavior is not the same as describing the person him/herself.  I have run into this before on this, and other forums and...evidently, a lot of folks do not act like there is a difference, but there is.

Bill

Yes and if you had read the whole thread you would see I pointed that out.
It's quite simple really - treat others as you would like to be treated.

[Pirate88179]

Yes and if you had read the whole thread you would see I pointed that out.
It's quite simple really - treat others as you would like to be treated.

I had an ex-girlfriend (Note the EX) that told me this was wrong.  She told me I should treat others as THEY want to be treated, not as I wanted to.
Of course, she was nuts.

Bill

[sarkeizen]

Well people can read it however they want.

Not true.

Name calling

Again, very little of this appears to happen in the normal English sense of the term.

abusive tone

Posts have no tone in the strictest sense of the term.

intolerant

Of what exactly?

and certainly disrespectful

In what sense other than "namecalling"?

For someone wanting respect, he's going about it all the wrong way.

MH appears to be making an ARGUMENT for treating people differently - for example dispensing with the use of the term "shill".  I often expect adults to be able to separate out the argument from the presentation. 

He wants to call people names when he feels it's "appropriate".

MH seems to use a different definition of "namecalling" than what you do.  It's difficult to see where your definition begins and ends.  Again, why isn't, in your definition saying that someone is "namecalling" is also namecalling?

This is starting to feel like a conversation with 14 YO.

This is what I mean.  Under my definition of "namecalling" this doesn't qualify but under yours which includes saying that someone is engaging in "immature baby talk".  It seems like it would.

As far as I'm concerned I can at least see the reason why MH might want to call for a stop to terms like "shill".  You haven't made a very good case for whatever you're saying.

[SeaMonkey]

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Anyway I'm not really pushing for a complete halt to insults as anyone here knows I've called profits, Joel, allcandian and SeaMonkey various names....all of which they deserved.

Aye, and so ye have.  And I take no offense.

After all, it is just conversation.

It is role playing.

It is a process.

[MileHigh]

Well people can read it however they want. Name calling, abusive tone, intolerant, and certainly disrespectful is how I would describe his behaviour in this thread. For someone wanting respect, he's going about it all the wrong way.  He wants to call people names when he feels it's "appropriate". This is starting to feel like a conversation with 14 YO.

I will do this one more time.

For starters, SeaMonkey makes a strange Orwellian posting similar to "War is Peace" or "Freedom is Slavery."  He says that insulting someone online really means you like them.

I state that what SeaMonkey said is pretentious.

Then you make a snarky posting and I ask you what you are talking about.

You try to justify your snarky posting by claiming that saying to someone that they are pretentious is bad and unacceptable behaviour.

Well, Jimboot, your argument itself is pretentious.  And now you are stuck in the little box you trapped yourself in and you are pulling out all the stops to tread water.  And that includes a lot of underhanded nasty comments while still professing that you are an innocent angel that hasn't said anything bad.

My point for this thread has been made.  You cannot call someone a shill or government agent because you can't possibly know that.  Nor can you know if some mentally unstable person or persons out there are reading your defamatory postings, and they want to go out in a blaze of glory by attacking some poor innocent person.  That's where the personal responsibility comes in.  For example, recently some people got gunned down and murdered in Denmark.

Personally, I don't even believe that you believe your own pitch yourself.  If you truly believed it then you would not have called me a troll, would you?  I just think that you are trapped.

MileHigh