Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.

[markdansie]

Is the motor and generator atop the Rosch's KPP actually a QMoGen? Is the buoyancy system unnecessary? - Someone who attended the AuKW demo and is satisfied it is for real, is also convinced that buoyancy is not the heart of the system. Rather, the air compressor motor and the generator are working together like a QMoGen, with the buoyancy system acting like the belt between them. (PESN; April 29, 2015)

Hi Sterling,
unlike your site where most comments are suppressed and posters banned (again) you are always welcome to post your opinions here or at Revolution-Green.com
As you know form many years experience, not one QMoGen you either reported on or promoted with you fee for story journalism approach has ever worked out. Not one has been independently verified or gone into production. So why carry on with this delusional fantasy?


Speaking of fantasy, on a personnel note I was wondering
1. Did Jesus ever come for supper after you invited him ?
2. Did the young ,famous violinist you were stalking ever take you up on a date ?
3. Are you still expecting to be arrested for your self confessed inappropriate sexual behavior ?
4. Do you still believe anyone takes you seriously anymore or wants to be associated with you given the above questions?


I also find it amusing you would post here given the hatchet job and bad mouthing your moderator Stuart is giving Stefan. Stefan is well respected by all and is also entitled to an opinion without emotive and derogatory comments being made.


On a positive note some of your recent stories have been balanced and well written


Kind regards and best wishes
Mark Dansie


Kind Regards
Mark

[tinman]

Hi Sterling,
unlike your site where most comments are suppressed and posters banned (again) you are always welcome to post your opinions here or at Revolution-Green.com
As you know form many years experience, not one QMoGen you either reported on or promoted with you fee for story journalism approach has ever worked out. Not one has been independently verified or gone into production. So why carry on with this delusional fantasy?


Speaking of fantasy, on a personnel note I was wondering
1. Did Jesus ever come for supper after you invited him ?
2. Did the young ,famous violinist you were stalking ever take you up on a date ?
3. Are you still expecting to be arrested for your self confessed inappropriate sexual behavior ?
4. Do you still believe anyone takes you seriously anymore or wants to be associated with you given the above questions?


I also find it amusing you would post here given the hatchet job and bad mouthing your moderator Stuart is giving Stefan. Stefan is well respected by all and is also entitled to an opinion without emotive and derogatory comments being made.


On a positive note some of your recent stories have been balanced and well written


Kind regards and best wishes
Mark Dansie


Kind Regards
Mark

Lol-Bang.

[LibreEnergia]

if  nRT ln(V₂/V₁ ) is the work to compress the gas to greater than the pressure at the bottom... what more work is required than that? Oh I see... once the gas does start flowing, then its pressure becomes less and you have to apply more force to maintain the pressure ( or have compressed a larger volume to a greater pressure )...

okay.  So if I compress 5 times the volume of air to twice the required additional pressure it's still less work than the total bouyance force.

and bouyancy is ( mass_displaced - mass_displacing ) * G.  (the air weighs something so should be subtracted from the mass displaced...)

... So, having an understanding of these basic physics principles where is the discontinuity? 


How does one relate the force required to displace X with pressure?  Or.. why does it matter how much water is moved?  The pressure is enough to overcome the additional weight of the water.. and if it was under a solid plunger and moved the whole body of water, why does moving that water imply any more work than it took to presureize the gas?




input... (compress 5x the required air; twice the required exess pressure @ height of 14 buckets)

2.366602913

Work (ft-lb)

(edit: or even 4x the volume and 4x the pressure, so if I take 1 unit of volume out it's still 75% of the increased pressure... something; ya it's some differential)

output...(14 buckets)

36.61705229

lift force (ft-lb/sec^2)

(fixed some annotions, grouping and colored related things)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YzocJ_dc7pXwHq1Vr9mzXBdS5-nP51xNjlSPsEVPN_M

You seem to have forgotten that your compressed parcel of air needs to be moved down in the water or, if you compressed it on the bottom the water above it is displaced upwards.

The end result is that the energy expended in sinking or creating a buoyant object is exactly the same amount that can be recovered by allowing the object to rise.

[d3x0r]

if  nRT ln(V₂/V₁ ) is the work to compress the gas to greater than the pressure at the bottom... what more work is required than that? Oh I see... once the gas does start flowing, then its pressure becomes less and you have to apply more force to maintain the pressure ( or have compressed a larger volume to a greater pressure )...

okay.  So if I compress 5 times the volume of air to twice the required additional pressure it's still less work than the total bouyance force.

and bouyancy is ( mass_displaced - mass_displacing ) * G.  (the air weighs something so should be subtracted from the mass displaced...)

input... (compress 4x the required air; 1.5 the required total pressure  @ height of 14 buckets)

13.98181442

Work (ft-lb)

output...(14 buckets)

36.61705229

lift force (ft-lb/sec^2)

so if I compress to 1.82 atmospheres 4x the air it's 13.9 ft-lb and the output is still nearly 3x that... (4kw in 12kw out is in the ballpark of product performance)


taking out 1/4 of the volume of it results in 1.36 atm (75% of 1.82atm), and only 1.05 atm is required with current setup of 0.5 inch 1 foot tubes.


so... it's still probable.

[d3x0r]

You seem to have forgotten that your compressed parcel of air needs to be moved down in the water or, if you compressed it on the bottom the water above it is displaced upwards.

The end result is that the energy expended in sinking or creating a buoyant object is exactly the same amount that can be recovered by allowing the object to rise.

it's compressed outside of the container, and piped in at the bottom.  does not have to additionally travel through the water.
  I did forget surface tension of the water.