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Overunity Machines Forum



Rosch taking orders on OU Bouyancy device.

Started by ramset, April 26, 2015, 09:52:03 AM

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MarkE

Quote from: RomanEmpire on May 25, 2015, 04:08:44 AM
I seem to see a bit of irony in your answers............. I admit that my diagram is elementary and my thinking is simple, but in my defense I say that I posted it on a site called "Overunity - search for free energy and discussing free energy" and your answer seems rather a group that writes on a hypothetical site called "Never Overunity - free energy does not exist and if you believe it you are a fool", I mistakenly thought that this was the right place.. Or maybe you.
Why do you think that when you present old, refuted ideas that they should be considered viable now?
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However, I think you have me mistaken for someone else. To answer some allusions:
Yes, the circulator* is connected to a source of energy and the hope is, which is probably unfounded,  that using the weight of the water the generator can produce more energy than the circulator can consume. Even the container where there is the mechanism and the generator is part of the closed circuit.
Aside from wishful thinking, why do you think you are going to cheat gravity's conservative behavior?  You lift a mass of water up, and then you drop that mass of water.  What do you claim adds energy that you hope to tap?
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I view of the fact that a small circulator can move up to 4 cubic meters per hour of water, which means 4000 kg of water in an hour, or about 66 kg in a minute, and it consumes a maximum of 75 watts/hour. I wondered if it was possible, but apparently it is not (this is the link of the circulator of which I speak http://productfinder.wilo.com/en/IT/product/0000002e00037bbd0001003a/fc_product_tendertext )
75W/h is a nonsensical value that expresses a slow power rate of change.  That particular pump tops out at 20% electrical to mechanical efficiency.
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*Yes -Circulator: http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/B1055392017/Hot-Water-Circulator-Pump.jpg
  No - Water pump: http://www.fufamotors.com/uploadfile/20140704141152932.jpg

P.S. The top pipe which is designed as a spiral is useless, It is done for illustrative purposes and does not have a specific purpose, save yourself the effort and the jokes for a more profitable

RomanEmpire

Quote from: MarkE on May 25, 2015, 04:58:52 AM
Why do you think that when you present old, refuted ideas that they should be considered viable now?Aside from wishful thinking, why do you think you are going to cheat gravity's conservative behavior?  You lift a mass of water up, and then you drop that mass of water.  What do you claim adds energy that you hope to tap?75W/h is a nonsensical value that expresses a slow power rate of change.  That particular pump tops out at 20% electrical to mechanical efficiency.

a circulator of water in a closed circuit does not lift the water, it circulates the water. What you're talking about is a pump. the only question to be resolved is whether this loop so broken (but still closed) can ensure circulation

75 watt / hour of current consumption are those declared by the manufacturer of the circulator (see the link wilo) are not my invention.

you should take a vacation, I see you very resentful and do not see why you should be, maybe you're nervous and this is not good for health. my best wishes for you

MarkE

Quote from: RomanEmpire on May 25, 2015, 05:12:48 AM
a circulator of water in a closed circuit does not lift the water, it circulates the water. What you're talking about is a pump. the only question to be resolved is whether this loop so broken (but still closed) can ensure circulation

75 watt / hour of current consumption are those declared by the manufacturer of the circulator (see the link wilo) are not my invention.

you should take a vacation, I see you very resentful and do not see why you should be, maybe you're nervous and this is not good for health. my best wishes for you
What do you think a circulator does to circulate the water?  Do you think it waves its vanes with a "come hither" expression, and the water molecules are unable to resist such overtures?

75 W/h is not on the data sheet.  It is a nonsensical term.  What do you think 75W/h means?  The data sheet specifies power consumption between 4W and 75W.  4W is 14.4kJ/h, and 75W is 270kJ/h.

There is no question:  You can build a fountain by powering the pump adequately.  Otherwise the machine quickly finds its rest state and remains there until external energy is added, or the internal configuration of the machine is changed in such a way that a new lower energy state can be reached.

MarkE

In the meantime: The Rosch.ag web site has been down for several days now.

Spilled Fluids

Quote from: MarkE on May 26, 2015, 05:26:13 AM
In the meantime: The Rosch.ag web site has been down for several days now.

Suspiciously like the absence of S+S on PISN!

I wonder if their trip got cancelled and they are too embarrassed to fess up?

Could be the Rosch gang has already exited the building and the country :-O