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Overunity Machines Forum



Switchable Magnets.

Started by synchro1, May 05, 2015, 11:45:59 AM

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synchro1

Quote from: mscoffman on May 07, 2015, 02:11:57 AM
One would construct a device by linking *two* opposite magnetic polarity blocks back to back
with counter rotating  handles. It makes me think that "hydraulics" would be the energy extractor.
like a motorcycle handbrake. A small distance but powerful mechanical movement.

A proof of concept device would be... "one stage activates next stage".. plus an inverter.. around a time delay loop.

..S..MarkSCoffman

Running one single rod down from the side of a rocker arm to drive a pump piston that pressurizes a reservoir tank is the finished product as mscoffman envisioned. The greater the holding power of the "Magnet Base", the larger the diameter of the pump piston and the greater the hydraulic P.S.I. per switch sequence. The "Flux De-Coupler" is the magic behind the enormous gain in pressure per switch flop.

Pirate88179

Quote from: synchro1 on May 08, 2015, 08:45:30 PM
Running one single rod down from the side of a rocker arm to drive a pump piston that pressurizes a reservoir tank is the finished product as mscoffman envisioned. The greater the holding power of the "Magnet Base", the larger the diameter of the pump piston and the greater the hydraulic P.S.I. per switch sequence. The "Flux De-Coupler" is the magic behind the enormous gain in pressure per switch flop.

If you are not familiar with the magnetic chuck designs....permanent mags...it is so simple it will make you laugh.  It is basically a metal basin in which sit
the magnets.  There is room on one end for movement.  The top plate is a combination of steel and brass in very thin layers horizontally positioned so that when the magnets underneath more to the right 1", the layers of permanent mags now all line up with the brass lines in the top.  Move the handle, and the mags move back about 1", and now all line up with the steel layers.  The handle to move the mags is usually about 1 foot long and does take some effort.  The handle moves about 180 degrees so when coupled with the cam mechanism inside the box moves the mag about 1".  It is genius really.

In a typical 8 x 18 inch chuck, the holding power is incredible.  I never thought about comparing it to the force required to switch on and off but, I can assure you that the holding power would be measured in many, many hundreds of pounds.  Just guessing here but maybe even close to 1,000 pounds, and that is a pretty small chuck.  Of course, the surface is machined perfectly flat and if the mating surface is also machined, then it would be interesting to see just how much force it would take to break that bond.

I am not sure how one could use all of that holding power to move the switch on and off but...it is an interesting line of thinking that i have never considered before.

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen

synchro1

Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 08, 2015, 09:03:29 PM
If you are not familiar with the magnetic chuck designs....permanent mags...it is so simple it will make you laugh.  It is basically a metal basin in which sit
the magnets.  There is room on one end for movement.  The top plate is a combination of steel and brass in very thin layers horizontally positioned so that when the magnets underneath more to the right 1", the layers of permanent mags now all line up with the brass lines in the top.  Move the handle, and the mags move back about 1", and now all line up with the steel layers.  The handle to move the mags is usually about 1 foot long and does take some effort.  The handle moves about 180 degrees so when coupled with the cam mechanism inside the box moves the mag about 1".  It is genius really.

In a typical 8 x 18 inch chuck, the holding power is incredible.  I never thought about comparing it to the force required to switch on and off but, I can assure you that the holding power would be measured in many, many hundreds of pounds.  Just guessing here but maybe even close to 1,000 pounds, and that is a pretty small chuck.  Of course, the surface is machined perfectly flat and if the mating surface is also machined, then it would be interesting to see just how much force it would take to break that bond.

I am not sure how one could use all of that holding power to move the switch on and off but...it is an interesting line of thinking that i have never considered before.

Bill

@Pirate88179,

A rod would attach to one side of the rocker arm and drive a hydraulic pressure piston. Six "Noga" 0039'S in tandem, three face to face would deliver 1800 pounds of force to the piston, 900 down and 900 back off each side to pressurize the reservoir head. The six throw switches would couple to a small two way hydraulic cylinder that used merely around 5 P.S.I. The remainder of the reservoir pressure could power an alternator with another larger hydraulic cylinder. "Compressed Air" may work even better.

The monster would sit there and not only run itself, but generate electrical power to perhaps run an electrical airplane or car.

ACG

I thought that even the cavemen understood gearing ratio.  Apparently some Neanderthals have survived.

synchro1

I received the definitive email response  form "Noga's Engineers":

"The switch on position activating the magnet force of the magnet and not the holding force of the arms".

Noga's Magnet Switch has a patented "Flux De-Coupler", so the ratio between switching and holding force is "Non-Proportional". This ascending power in holding force for a fixed switch force is the threshold of "Overunity".