The bearing motor

[MileHigh]

I see you did what everyone else dose when i ask the question MH,your answer is just to quote the lorentz force without explaining why the lorentz force acts in only one direction. The lorentz force direction is an aplication,not an answer. It is just the same with the magnetic field-->we dont know what the magnetic force is-it just is.

What do you mean by "only acting in one direction?"  A force can only act in one direction.

It all stems from the fact that there is a force on a charged particle when it is moving in a magnetic field.  Here is a three video set explaining it all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdh2srqH57M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41Zijsv46o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcVzfTAK8fk

The Lorentz force is an extrapolation of the analysis of the forces on moving charged particles because a stream of moving charged particles is the very definition of electric current.

The real issue is this:  Look at the geometry of the wire and look at the geometry of the magnetic field and then apply the Lorentz force equation to the particular setup and determine the outcome for the homopolar motor.  The homopolar motor and the silly spinning aquarium "vortex"  are easily explainable through understanding the Lorentz forces at play.

If you balk at this then it's just the same old pattern on your part where you refuse to accept something until you understand it.  Just put in the work to understand it and then apply it to the homopolar motor.  You should get to the point where you understand exactly how the homopolar motor works after examining the setup for a few minutes in your head.

If you get how the homopolar motor works then I challenge you to explain the silly "magnetic vortex" business in Acca's aquarium videos all by yourself.

[Magluvin]

Here are the 2 bearings I spoke of earlier. Grease is cleaned out and worked in graphite. They spin when the wind blows. 

Will try some things tonight. The larger diameter will allow the rollers to spin faster during race rotation. If the fields in the balls/rollers tilt as I had suggested, then the tilt should be more with higher roller rpms.  Also coming up with a test using an iron disk to emulate a ball in a bearing. Will set it up on a drive motor with a + brush on top edge and - brush on bottom edge and see if we can detect(compass?) if there is any tilt during rotation of the disk.  By tilt I mean, being the balls/rollers/disk is iron, it is possible the iron is dragging the fields created by the currents, causing them to be offset while in motion as compared to stationary.  Its possible copper(non magnetic) instead of iron may produce a dragging effect(due to lenz) also, if the theory is good.

Mags

[MileHigh]

Below is a pic of the magnetic field around a current carrying wire. The field is uniform,and the arrows mean nothing. There is also a pic of the field around a PM.You will see a red dot-that is our current carrying wire touching the center of a rod magnet. So picture the wire coming from your eyes,and going straight into the magnet. So as we can see,we have a static field around the wire imerced in a static field around the rod magnet. We apply current and the magnet spins.

Why would you say that the arrows mean nothing when in fact the arrows are critical information and mean nearly everything?

So now,why is the force from the wire pushing on one side of the magnetic field of the magnet,and not the other side with the same amount of force-when both magnetic fields are uniform. The field from the magnet is exactly the same in front of the wire as it is behind the wire. The field around the wire is also uniform. So why is there a force in the direction of the green arrow,and not the blue arrow-as everything is the same as far as fields go.

Feel free to make an actual technical argument like you are suggesting above.  Please go ahead and explain your thinking for there to be two forces, one in the direction of the green arrow, and one in the direction of the blue arrow.  Text only will not cut it, you need to advance your argument with diagrams with a complete explanation.

You state "everything is the same as far as the fields go" with respect to the full setup with the magnet and the current-carrying wired that goes into the center of the magnet as per your diagram.  Is everything really the same?  Look at the setup again and show how "everything is the same."

And since when did applying a force to a magnetic field cause the magnet to spin?<--in this situation. The same should apply in reverse. We should be able to spin the magnet,and create a force-right?. No ,we cant,because the field on either side of the wire is uniform.

The above text has seriously flawed logic to the point that it doesn't even make sense.  So your first step would be to rewrite your statement so that it at least makes sense, and then we can examine your statement to see what's up.

It's like i said,most dont stop and have a really good look at what there being asked to accept.
This is much like the homopolar generator-why do you have to spin it to get current from it. Why dosnt it matter wether or not the magnets spin with the disk?. The reasons given are just another hack job at what isnt yet understood,and that is the magnetic field.

Nope, it's more like you don't understand and you take a position that magnetic fields are not understood well enough to explain various observed phenomena.  You use it like a proverbial "Get out of Jail Free" card to avoid just doing the required work to understand what's going on.  All of these concepts build up layer by layer where you start with the most basic situations and then use that knowledge to explain more complex situations on the higher up layers.

[tinman]

Why would you say that the arrows mean nothing when in fact the arrows are critical information and mean nearly everything?

Well feel free to tell me what the arrows mean MH. We know that they dont mean north/south.
Let me take a guess here-->they represent flow-!right!. Ok,well then tell me,the flow of what?.

Feel free to make an actual technical argument like you are suggesting above.  Please go ahead and explain your thinking for there to be two forces, one in the direction of the green arrow, and one in the direction of the blue arrow.  Text only will not cut it, you need to advance your argument with diagrams with a complete explanation.

I wasnt making a claim MH,i was asking a question-->one that you need to answer.
How is a force generated in 1 direction when the magnetic field from the PM is equal in strength and flow on each side of the wire,and that wire has a uniform field around it-->both depicted by the pretty arrows.

You state "everything is the same as far as the fields go" with respect to the full setup with the magnet and the current-carrying wired that goes into the center of the magnet as per your diagram.  Is everything really the same?  Look at the setup again and show how "everything is the same."

This i have explained above,but lets try and explain it using water flow.
We have a stream of water flowing downward(lets say a water fall),This is the PM's field,then we have this jet of water (the field around the wire)being shot into our water fall at right angles. So now,how do we get a third streem of water shooting out to the left of our jet of water,and nothing out to the right?.How dose this uniform jet of water being shot into our water fall push the water of the water fall to the left and not to the right.

The above text has seriously flawed logic to the point that it doesn't even make sense.  So your first step would be to rewrite your statement so that it at least makes sense, and then we can examine your statement to see what's up.

There is no flaw MH,you just fail to understand what im trying to say. If current flow causes rotation of the magnet,then the opposite should apply,in that rotation of the magnet should cause current to flow-which it dosnt,i have tried with RPM's up to 10,000

Nope, it's more like you don't understand and you take a position that magnetic fields are not understood well enough to explain various observed phenomena.  You use it like a proverbial "Get out of Jail Free" card to avoid just doing the required work to understand what's going on.  All of these concepts build up layer by layer where you start with the most basic situations and then use that knowledge to explain more complex situations on the higher up layers.

Im begining to understand MH,but im afraid my understanding isnt in line with yours. Below is another pic that i have modified. In this configuration,the magnet still spins. Now how be that, when apparently the two forces at right angles to the wire are in opposite directions?. This i found based around Mags experiment,only he used ali foil as the second wire.

[MileHigh]

Well feel free to tell me what the arrows mean MH. We know that they dont mean north/south.
Let me take a guess here-->they represent flow-!right!. Ok,well then tell me,the flow of what?.

It means that two fields from two separate sources can add or completely cancel out and that is highly significant.

How is a force generated in 1 direction when the magnetic field from the PM is equal in strength and flow on each side of the wire,and that wire has a uniform field around it-->both depicted by the pretty arrows.

Put the two fields together and is everything still "uniform" or not?

This i have explained above,but lets try and explain it using water flow.
We have a stream of water flowing downward(lets say a water fall),This is the PM's field,then we have this jet of water (the field around the wire)being shot into our water fall at right angles. So now,how do we get a third streem of water shooting out to the left of our jet of water,and nothing out to the right?.How dose this uniform jet of water being shot into our water fall push the water of the water fall to the left and not to the right.

Your analogy is no good, it doesn't even make sense.  As a result it falls apart.

There is no flaw MH,you just fail to understand what im trying to say. If current flow causes rotation of the magnet,then the opposite should apply,in that rotation of the magnet should cause current to flow-which it dosnt,i have tried with RPM's up to 10,000

Sorry, but I am starting to run out of gas.  If you are told your analogy is no good, one would hope that you would go back to it and try to figure out what could possibly be wrong with it and then tweak it and make it make sense.  Not everything is reversible like you are trying to imply.  However, if you are not willing to go back and re-examine your analogy with a critical eye and look for possible problems, then the only viable alternative is spoon-feeding.  It's not going to sink in like that so the ball is in your court.  You can look for flaws in your logic and try to fix things, or not.

m begining to understand MH,but im afraid my understanding isnt in line with yours. Below is another pic that i have modified. In this configuration,the magnet still spins. Now how be that, when apparently the two forces at right angles to the wire are in opposite directions?. This i found based around Mags experiment,only he used ali foil as the second wire.

I attached your graphic again.  Is the left grey arrow coming out of the page or going into the page?  This is an ongoing issue with you, not providing enough detail.  Are you supposed to be showing a homopolar motor or the grasshopper oscillator?   One more time, what you presented here is a mess where what the graphic is suggesting and your text do not jive, so I am not going to comment.  There are a handful of issues in your points here and without any resolution to those issues I won't comment.

Sometimes you need to take a break after you write something up.  Just wait a day and then reread your points and you might be somewhat shocked at how many things are either missing, or don't make sense, or are ambiguous.  I am a details person and you are not a details person.  It makes a technical discussion very difficult.

Again, I can only recommend the following:

1,  Obtain complete mastery over the way the homopolar motor works.
2.  Explain exactly how the swirling aquarium business works.
3.  Then you are in a position to tackle the bearing motor and figure out exactly how it works.

MileHigh