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[ayeaye]

Can you explain that equation to me like if you where talking to a 5 year old?

I think i can, as i don't know much about it myself.

Electrons, they have a frequency and a wave length, the same as all bodies, except when heavier, then the wave length is smaller. Thus the experiments such as a two slit experiment (bohm always called it a two slit experiment not a double slit experiment) can be done with electrons, the same as with photons. Like you can calculate your frequency and wave length, when knowing your weight. Your wave length is very small though, which makes for you somewhat difficult to walk through the walls.

Now consider a coil which is shielded the way that there is no magnetic field outside of it. When an electron beam passes near it, then the frequency of the electrons has a phase shift when there is a magnetic field inside the coil, and none if there is no magnetic field. The frequency of the electrons themselves, as i explained above, not the frequency with which the electron beam is modulated.

The problem with that is that their mathematics cannot describe that effect well. David Bohm was all about interconnectedness, and thus likely thought that the effect is non-local. Non-local because there is no magnetic field outside the coil, thus the electrons sense something which cannot affect them directly.

David Bohm has a concept of implicate order, that is all the reality is a changing interconnected network, with changing network topology, that is. Mathematics, that is analytical expressions, cannot describe such network. By that, particles are changing structures of connections. They have frequency, they behave like waves, and their structure is over a larger area, due to the way the changes of connections happen there, a propagating process which is a general form of wave. Yet their structure is separate from anything else and cannot merge with it, thus the wave particle duality. Like charged particles may regularly create long extensions of that structure, which may look like thunderbolts, when they cross each other, the particles interact with each other. This is the way how objects can find each other in the 3d world, because they cannot see each other, so the have to "stumble" the things around them, with such "thunderbolts". It is that people cannot imagine such kind of changing structures, this is why it is very difficult for them to understand the things, like particles.

Theory of relativity, well, this theory is all about that things are completely separated, to completely disregard interconnectedness. Like say another planet moves towards us with a half of the speed of light. Now when we have a large telescope, we see that the time goes faster on that planet. But when they on that planet have a large telescope, too, then they see that the time goes faster on our planet. So on what planet then does the time go faster? The speed is relative, but in spite that this theory is so much about relativity, it seems to sometimes consider that speed is not relative. Well anyway, this theory may well fail when anything has to do with interconnectedness, that is non-locality. Because this theory assumes that things are completely separated from each other, may not have anything common or anything which ties them together. Not that it is entirely wrong, but it just may not describe things adequately enough.

This is the limitation of human thinking, one should be not human, to understand it better. Like ayeaye's are like forms of aliens, their thinking is different

I don't know that this effect can cause any real force or has any considerable physical effect. As i said, it is mostly just about that their mathematics cannot well describe that effect. So they come up with different ways how mathematics may describe it, but analytical equations are inherently an incomplete model by themselves, thus they can be made more exact, but can nevertheless never describe everything exactly. So it may rather be just an unnecessary mental exercise.

So this is i think what every 5 year old will understand.

The following picture depicts two electrons, trying to find each other.

[forest]

you know what ? nothing to explain.... just remember : CHARGE is not electron !

[poynt99]

I see the big guns are leaving this one alone
Easier to bury your head in the sand,than to find out what you thought was right is in fact wrong.

Are you jumping again Brad? I hope not.

Distinti seems to be rejecting standard theory based on a number of wrong assumptions.

[shylo]

Are you jumping again Brad? I hope not.

Distinti seems to be rejecting standard theory based on a number of wrong assumptions.

Isn't theory just assumption? Where's the proof to back up the theory?
It's like we know if we put gas in the car it will go , but why,... is a mystery.
Don't you need to assume something ,before coming up with a theory?
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[poynt99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqJw_Bo00ME

Start watching at about 5:00.

This guy is lost. "Charge is a fundamental part of the magnetic field"?     He can't seem to figure why of how current is induced in a closed loop when a changing uniform magnetic field is passing through and outside the loop. "It's ambiguous". Really, is it? Not. There are no charges in the magnetic field.

The "Disconnect tell". Now that is hilarious too. Good grief! Apparently he is not aware that it is the resulting circular E field which induces current in the loop, not the B field.

I don't think it's time to rewrite the text books just yet!