New reactionless motor from India

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@all


I have found this pdf on his website and I think it is worth spending few minutes to go through as it contains description of the principle with some example pics.

[allcanadian]

@MarkE

Now THAT is an appeal to authority.

It is however that does not change the fact Tewari has 58 years of experience as an Electrical Engineer...can anyone here claim the same?. It relates to hands on experience and technical ability thus credibility and I would be more inclined to believe him than you because I have no proof you have 58 years of experience in electrical engineering or any real experience for that matter.

Those are examples of reducing efficiency.  What you are going to have a very hard time proving is that you get energy out of a motor or a generator in excess of energy that you put in.

You are using the begging the question fallacy in which the conclusion was included in the premise. My claim is that a modification to the magnetic circuit can change the properties of the circuit and I never claimed excess energy.

We in fact have more than 150 years of experience with electrodynamic machines and their very well understood and daily reproven operating principles.  Tewari makes the extraordinary claims against that evidence, has done so for years and has come up short on verifiable evidence every time.

You are using the bandwagon fallacy to promote the idea that just because others could not succeed Tewari cannot. As well as the fallacy fallacy argument assuming that just because Tewari's claims are extraordinary, poorly justified and contradictory that they must be wrong. We have no real proof of anything in my opinion.

You are free to see if you can achieve the extraordinary and cheat the First Law of Energy to your heart's content.

Of course I am, and once again you are using the begging the question fallacy in which the conclusion was included in the premise. I do not intend to cheat the First Law of Energy that is absurd however I do intend to find out what could be happening in Tewari's devices which would cause him to make the claims he has. Hell, I may even learn something along the way, lol.


AC

[MarkE]

@MarkE

It is however that does not change the fact Tewari has 58 years of experience as an Electrical Engineer...can anyone here claim the same?. It relates to hands on experience and technical ability thus credibility and I would be more inclined to believe him than you because I have no proof you have any 58 years of experience in electrical engineering or any real experience for that matter.

You are reasserting the appeal to authority fallacy. 

That fact of his experience does not create evidence for the extraordinary claim.  There is either hard evidence that supports his extraordinary claim or there isn't.  Time has shown that there isn't.

You are using the begging the question fallacy in which the conclusion was included in the premise. My claim is that a modification to the magnetic circuit can change the properties of the circuit and I never claimed excess energy... you did.

Hardly. You asserted: 

I believe this has credibility based on my own experiments at the bench concerning my permanent magnet motor with no generator action. At first I did not think this was possible however I have proven it to be true. As well my permanent magnet motor with no generator action also uses a modification of the magnetic circuit to specifically negate all generator action.

The current equation for such a motor would be: 

I = V/(R_SOURCE + R_WIRING + R_WINDING)  Simplified: 

I = V/R_TOTAL

Since up to the point of magnetic saturation torque is proportional to current and that current does not change with speed, the output power that is the product of torque and speed decreases monotonically with decreasing speed while the input power is independent of speed.  The motor only operates at maximum efficiency at an indefinite speed.  Taking only the unrefuted observation that the First Law of Energy is true, then the motor efficiency can only approach unity at an indefinite speed and is therefore very low at any definite speed.  In order to escape that conclusion, you are burdened with showing the extraordinary:  A violation of the First Law of Energy.

You are using the bandwagon fallacy to promote the idea that just because others could not succeed Tewari cannot. As well as the fallacy fallacy argument assuming that just because Tewari's claims are extraordinary, poorly justified and contradictory that they must be wrong. We have no real proof of anything in my opinion.

No, I am showing the fact that we have a vast quantity of reliable evidence that runs counter to Tewari's uncorroborated claims.

Of course I am, and once again you are using the begging the question fallacy in which the conclusion was included in the premise. I do not intend to [/size]cheat the First Law of Energy that is absurd however I do intend to find out what could be happening in Tewari's devices which would cause him to make the claims he has. Hell, I may even learn something along the way, lol.[/size]

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LOL, the First Law is an incredibly reliably observation not a preconceived conclusion.

[MarkE]

@all


I have found this pdf on his website and I think it is worth spending few minutes to go through as it contains description of the principle with some example pics.

He relies on the failed N machine for support.

[allcanadian]

@MarkE

You are reasserting the appeal to authority fallacy. 

Did I ... Oh crap, I must be caught in my own illogical fallacy loop again.

That fact of his experience does not create evidence for the extraordinary claim.  There is either hard evidence that supports his extraordinary claim or there isn't.  Time has shown that there isn't.

So the "facts" of his own "experience" does not create "evidence" for the extraordinary claims?.  You may want to inform the variable time, wormhole, multiple universe people of your miraculous sense of logic because they won't listen to me. Just give them a ring... hey dudes the facts of your own complete lack of tangible experience does not create evidence for extraordinary claims... I'm sure they will be astounded by your sense of logic even if your not a Vulcan.

There is either hard evidence that supports his extraordinary claim or there isn't.  Time has shown that there isn't.

What is time if time is variable Mark.. I mean really?, why according to the real experts his device may have created a time warping wormhole to multiple parallel universes in which case decades may have past for Mr.Tewari while your stuck here. Yes Mark, very strange but apparently true so in fact in Mr.Tewari's time his device may be very much un-extraordinary relative to yours here.


You know I enjoy this I do however there is one point I cannot quite reconcile. At the end of the day this application of supposedly superior logic, the fallacy, basically amounts to mental masturbation. I mean sure you may think it feels good Mark however I would point out the obvious fact that the Greek/Roman civilizations that created this logic were an epic failure. The historians generally agree that as these civilizations gained supposed intelligence they would tend to sit around debating everything to death and made little or no real progress. I call them the mass-debater's because they get off on this kind of thing despite the fact they tend to go round and round going nowhere fast which would seem to contradict their beliefs.

Would you be wiling to bet the farm on what basically amounts to an epic failure?... I'm saying no thank you I think I will pass. So while I do believe in logic I also believe in common sense and I'm not quite ready to plunge down the rabbit hole head first. To each his own.


AC